Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Vam  you posted this:

1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
mental fear and reward.

then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it  yet as i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference,  just symantics

Allan

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Again :

" ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" "

The word religion as I have used is previously indicated.

The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown
religion ( in the sense I have used the word ).

Vam wrote:
> A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> expressed here :
>
> " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
>
> " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of which
> they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> consequences.
>
> " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> values and truths."
>
> ornamentalmind wrote:
> > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most that
> > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some do.
> >
> > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used are
> > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such a
> > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his intent!
> >
> > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many eastern
> > > and western religions that do none of those three.
> > >
> > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > > mental fear and reward.
> > >
> > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of living do
> > > > none of these.
> > >
> > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and Middle
> > > > East believe in and understand !

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