On Oct 25, 6:32 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Then consider geography and availability of resources such as water,
> land suited for agriculture, raw materials suitable for trade, etc.
What of it ? I would say the extreme cold climes in North forced all
the cannibalistic colonialism ... coz their needs were more !
Geography cannot be changed, except very slowly... and people accept
or migrate if they can. Nor can history be changed, except learned
from and used to improve the future course... though the residual
effects are felt.
> You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, as the saying goes.
> Plus think of the damage done to some countries by poor management of
> resources and more important, the ruination of soil/seeds by companies
> such as Monsanto.
We sure wish to work against such human crimes !
> Add tribal mentality, vengeful politics, spooky
> religion, poor or non-existent education, delapidated infrastructure
> and what have you got? A mess!!!
Precisely, that needs to be corrected !
> It is unkind and dangerous to be so
> idealistic that real facts and problems are overlooked- at least
> that's my opinion- but I admire your hope.
We are hardly overlooking any problem... on the other hand, we refuse
to look the other way, as "paid" advt and PR media would want us to
with their distractions.
Every damned man made problem, unfair practice and advantage,
subversion of the human need for freedom and desire for
illumination... remains in our radar, even if we are not able to do
much for now.
We know we'd be able to... sometime, someday... if we keeping looking
at the problem, share with others, long enough... for sure !
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> On Oct 24, 4:54 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Huh... success is always a work in progress... and equality is always
> > of treatment, empowerment and opportunity, each one which depends on
> > our personal and community evolution !
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> > On Oct 24, 2:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Sadly, the aims of the United Nations have been a flop.
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> > > One problem is global communications have distorted the struggle it
> > > takes to achieve- from personal competancy to democracy. I fear many
> > > think success and equality is an instant thing.
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> > > On Oct 24, 4:15 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Allan, there is thread that Neil has started... it's important...
> > > > starts with what " I " and we each might want, as in time vs work vs
> > > > remuneration, sees problems in that context that democracy as a system
> > > > has, and recalls the presence of "banksters" and oligarchs who might
> > > > certainly ( oxymoron ) thwart the kind of dispensation which will
> > > > allow all that we seek in economic terms, to serve in turn our need
> > > > for freedom and leisure !
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> > > > First, as it is, we are not there at all... when our dream of a fair
> > > > life, with freedom and sufficiency, can be guaranteed for everyone.
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> > > > Not when we have just ousted Gaddafi, who'd stolen 143 tonnes of gold
> > > > ( approx US$ 8 billions ) with the connivance of this same world order
> > > > that prevails.
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> > > > Not when armies and militias are equipped to establish the " might is
> > > > right " rule in US, Turkey, Israel, LatAm, Africa, ME, Pak, Maoists in
> > > > India n Nepal, Sri Lanka, Burma, China, Philipines, NKorea... and a
> > > > whole host of motley warlords and rebels all over.
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> > > > Not when 1318 TNCs still control ownership over the wealth and means
> > > > that produce 80% of world's revenues and bankroll most of the
> > > > "might" !
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> > > > Agreed a few societies can begin to take tentative steps... yet, even
> > > > in them, not everybody is on the same page, with the same degree of
> > > > evolution. The Scandinavians are much better placed but there too the
> > > > effects of globalisation and multi-culturalism is manifest, both for
> > > > the better, in fostering liberalism, and worse, in fracturing the
> > > > homogeneity and causing social fault lines.
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> > > > In conclusion, I do not find myself in a position to lay out
> > > > certainties... a whole picture with rules, institutions and processes,
> > > > clearly laid out across society, polity and economy, and a justice
> > > > system to keep it going.
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> > > > Now, this is not say that I do not have ideas of what a modern
> > > > Corporation should be like or what is the kind of Society I would
> > > > prefer to have.
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> > > > I Much complexity about us... as individuals, persons... has to be
> > > > sorted out in our spirit and our intellect, so as to be able to by-
> > > > pass the emotional relativism we claim as a matter of right, in our
> > > > needs and our value judgements, our willfulness, our motivations, our
> > > > sense and extent of ownership, etc... before we really can expect
> > > > simplicity in our deeds, speech, values, behaviour and way of life.
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> > > > The social, economic and political simplicity must seamlessly pervade
> > > > our personal lives, which in turn should be self - empowered enough to
> > > > deal with the complexities that arise through our sub-conscious, vital
> > > > and emotional content. These complexities, drives and should be
> > > > channeled into arts, meditation, literature, drama, celluloid, canvas,
> > > > music, crafts, even personal religious practices... but not find
> > > > expression in speech or behaviour transgressing our community
> > > > commitment to simplicity, fairness, honesty, freedom, non-violence,
> > > > human rights, compassion and kindness.
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> > > > It's a tall order... one I believe in, live with, and most of the time
> > > > act in accord, without having hope or expectation of any kind from
> > > > others or society about me.
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> > > > II We would always need human initiative... to create, improve,
> > > > form, lead, manage, organise, write, debate, think, suggest,
> > > > experiment... so, Capitalism would still be our best bet, under
> > > > regulation to check... miscarriage of justice, unjust treatment,
> > > > unfair practice or advantages, equal opportunity, transparency, human
> > > > rights, recognition and reward, etc.
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> > > > Profit is welcome... profiteering is not. Profit should take care of
> > > > reasonable expenses and remunerations, returns on risks and
> > > > initiatives, cost of capital, and the costs of remaining in business
> > > > in future incl R&D, creation of reserves, etc.
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> > > > III I would still go along with Democracy, not only for want of a
> > > > better system of governance but also for the promises its evolution
> > > > holds. All it needs are mechanisms and structures to feedback people's
> > > > will and participitation, not just from one election to another but on
> > > > monthly, fortnightly and daily basis.
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> > > > There should be a number of truly autonomous, empowered and competent
> > > > regulatory bodies to oversee the Govt / Executive, quite as the
> > > > Judiciary oversees the Legislature passing laws in accord with
> > > > provisions in the Constitution... Regulatory Bodies for Exchanges,
> > > > Insurance, Anti-Corrution, Citizen's Charter Of Services, Human
> > > > Rights, Food, Education, Sports, Media, Advertising, Consumer
> > > > Protection, Energy, Mining, Environment, Animal Rights, Water
> > > > Resources, Forests, Pollution, Companies & Corporations, etc.
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> > > > There should Promotion bodies as well, as institutional arms of the
> > > > govt.
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> > > > IV Corporations are unavoidable... but they ought to be more in the
> > > > nature of public trusts, as in they serve the people and their needs,
> > > > than private fiefs !
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> > > > The rest will take care of itself... once its people interests and
> > > > will that comes centre-stage in govt, parliament, judiciary, corp,
> > > > police... that's all we want, in preparing for the day when people are
> > > > ready to form society in accord with their higher nature !
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> > > > Sorry for the voluminous output. And Thanks for your patience.
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> > > > On Oct 24, 11:51 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > I actually understand what you are saying Vam,, I do not think it is
> > > > > forcing ones will on another,, Just to the contrary,, it is looking at
> > > > > ideas to build a better society, hopefully you will add you thoughts and
> > > > > ideas,, looking at what is wrong and not just saying this is bad , this is
> > > > > bad condemning everything,, not this is bad but what is more important is
> > > > > we look at how to improve all of society taking the best of eastern and
> > > > > western ideas..
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> > > > > I do not think India run by a few individuals using corporations is what
> > > > > you want.. or is it?
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> > > > > Unfortunately the world is becoming more dependent on the rest of society.
> > > > > The questions come down to what we see as good in our way of life (western)
> > > > > and hopefully what you see as good in your way of life (eastern) but that
> > > > > takes your input in all areas philosophical, financial, and in economics,
> > > > > which includes health care, how to deal with natural disasters,
> > > > > Today unfortunately what happens in your home also effects me here in
> > > > > Holland , Neil in England and Molly in the States , just to name a few..
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> > > > > The question is two part.. 1; How do we create a better society 2: how do
> > > > > we prevent corporations from dominating the world society.
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> > > > > But if you do not add you insights on just how you see the world government
> > > > > should be.. How can your ideas be included if you do not add them?
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> > > > > Not that any of us have the power to change the world, there are some of us
> > > > > who qualify as "grouchy old men" me included.. But , I repeat But maybe
> > > > > someone will read what we have to say that can improve the world and
> > > > > society.
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> > > > > Vam your ideas on what corporations,and government should be like is
> > > > > extremely important,, at least to me.
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> > > > > The question is how do we improve all of society and is is it possible to
> > > > > keep the individuality and best of each society.
> > > > > Allan
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> > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:30 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I share your enthusiasm Gabby. All very well Vam - yet the language
> > > > > > around us is so deceptive we have to do something new with it so as
> > > > > > not to be suckered by fine words from the weasel.
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> > > > > > On Oct 24, 5:35 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > From Brihadaranyaka Upanishad ( one of the oldest ) :
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> > > > > > > "Verily, not for the sake of the husband, my dear, is the husband
> > > > > > > loved, but he is loved for the sake of the self which, in its true
> > > > > > > nature, is one with the Supreme Self.
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> > > > > > > "Verily, not for the sake of the wife, my dear, is the wife loved, but
> > > > > > > she is loved for the sake of the self.
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> > > > > > > "Verily, not for the sake of the
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