and Eurocentric though the axis is East-West? What about Arnold
Toynbee's theories?// There is diversity in the public schools/state
universities- USA- of race and incomes. Unfortunately, many limousine
liberals send their children to private schools, don't they?//We are
all "remotely" dark-skinned.
On Oct 28, 2:11 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In intellectual terms the 'positive' is often doxa or mere opinion.
> Most white people I know think 'our' civilization is superior to all
> others - I'd say this especially of the political correctivists and
> those who raise racism at the drop of a hat. There is often less
> racism in the guy who utters 'I hate niggers' (there are still plenty)
> and the PC white female lecturer teaching this is wrong but who never
> works with or has relations with anyone remotely dark-skinned.
> There's an example of the critique of much received history here -http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n21/pankaj-mishra/watch-this-man- and I'd
> point out that Niall Fergusson's books make it to television series
> here and the US - who is the audience for the dross - racist dross in
> 'polite language'. The positive of this critique can be found in
> Jared Diamond. The big missing positive is about how we deal with
> oppression everywhere, including that we soak up in our non-critical
> cultures.
>
> On Oct 28, 8:27 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I hear and understand what you are saying Vam.. now the question is how
> > does one counter them..
>
> > rigsy don't be deceived it is those pay large sums for access to
> > politicians that put them in congress american people are just sheep doing
> > what they are told (more or less -- they follow the guiding light,,, TV
> > commercials)
>
> > Plato is right Communism is elitist ... it is based off community a town
> > is a community, a city is a community .. slums are a community wall
> > street is a very elitist community only interested in their good,, not the
> > greater good of all people,, and they are very good at giving there song
> > and dance routine.
> > work
> > Slums are a commune in their own right they are people gathering together
> > for their own survival..
>
> > The most successful communities have been religious where they have a
> > common belief system. If you want your form of communism to survive you
> > have to have a very common guiding light? a treat of eternal damnation
> > does not hurt to keep the leadership in line .. but that does not always
> > work..
>
> > I do think the a social communism can work but every one is and must be
> > expected to work contributing to the over all good of the community.. and
> > if members are unemployed they need to be contributing to the greater
> > community's greater good by sweeping streets or some thing.. with everyone
> > contributing their paycheck and receiving a stipend from the community as
> > we do need our pocket change. lol I have seen religious communities that
> > you are expected to work 12 hrs + a day just for your ?room? and minimal
> > board..for nothing especially when you are not part of their community..
>
> > What an endless topic. rag on and on
> > Allan
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Good questions.
>
> > > Precisely... people realise they voted for promises and make - beliefs
> > > presented by liars, who spoke for the people and acted for
> > > themselves ! Now, the ill-intentioned must know that the people
> > > know... what was concealed from them.
>
> > > On Oct 27, 5:33 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > So- who voted the Congress into power? Who is attracted to politics?
> > > > Why?
>
> > > > On Oct 26, 11:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Members of Congress who are millionaires ? Nearly 50 percent.
>
> > > > > Millionaires in the country ? About 1 percent of the population.
>
> > > > > Doesn't seem the US Congress is representative of the population at
> > > > > all !
>
> > > > > On Oct 26, 4:45 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced
> > > > > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering
> > > if they
> > > > > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for
> > > and look
> > > > > > after there interest.
> > > > > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a
> > > member
> > > > > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something
> > > entirely
> > > > > > different.
> > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the
> > > > > > > solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will
> > > ever
> > > > > > > remain as it is...even worse.
>
> > > > > > > On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them.
> > > and they
> > > > > > > > never feel the sting of the whip.
> > > > > > > > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just
> > > before
> > > > > > > > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was
> > > never
> > > > > > > removed
> > > > > > > > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay
> > > raises
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > even cost of living for public employees like fire department ,
> > > Police
> > > > > > > > people or others..
>
> > > > > > > > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your
> > > country no
> > > > > > > > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on
> > > their own
> > > > > > > > behalf and those of their rich friends..
>
> > > > > > > > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no
> > > assistance
> > > > > > > > from friend or family.. with only services of public
> > > > > > > > assistance available to them and their family. I do know
> > > something needs
> > > > > > > > to be done to bring this political privilege under control..
> > > maybe a
> > > > > > > > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery.
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is
> > > to do.
> > > > > > > >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which
> > > has
> > > > > > > >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross.
> > > In the
> > > > > > > >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the
> > > > > > > >> reason nothing can ever get done!
>
> > > > > > > >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings
> > > that
> > > > > > > >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of
> > > raising
> > > > > > > >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of
> > > assumptions that
> > > > > > > >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent
> > > someone else
> > > > > > > >> doing it and so on.
>
> > > > > > > >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push
> > > people. If
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting
> > > point, but
> > > > > > > >> > nothing beyond their means though.
>
> > > > > > > >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it
> > > will be
> > > > > > > >> > interesting,
> > > > > > > >> > Allan
> > > > > > > >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep
> > > on trying
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to
> > > spare.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <
> > > allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny
> > > about it..
> > > > > > > >> > >> I
> > > > > > > >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is
> > > what it
> > > > > > > >> should
> > > > > > > >> > >> be called is the pittance fund..
> > > > > > > >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's
> > > interests
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >> self
> > > > > > > >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the
> > > time and
> > > > > > > >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term
> > > guidance
> > > > > > > >> to make
> > > > > > > >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the
> > > size..
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > >> witch
> > > > > > > >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more
> > > powerful than
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> other
> > > > > > > >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight..
> > > > > > > >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our
> > > combined
> > > > > > > >> > >> wisdom
> > > > > > > >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would
> > > be
> > > > > > > chance
> > > > > > > >> to put
> > > > > > > >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried
> > > and can
> > > > > > > >> not be
> > > > > > > >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
> > > > > > > >> > >> Allan
>
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <
> > > nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least
> > > guess
> > > > > > > >> > >>> money
> > > > > > > >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money
> > > in our
> > > > > > > >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is
> > > dwarfed by
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow
> > > markets. What
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and
> > > > > > > organisation.
>
> > > > > > > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal
> > > NGO
> > > > > > > Trust
> > > > > > > >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and
>
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