[Mind's Eye] Re: getting to the positive

It's apple harvest time in Washingtion state. An apple picker can earn
$150. a day but I guess American youths would rather mess up city
squares with baloney. The apple harvest- which impacts the supply for
the entire USA- is at risk for lack of workers. The story was on PBS
News Hour last night.//I need breakfast.

On Oct 27, 6:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Besides being a future project it is a great but will prove the wisdom of
> this group of nothing else..  and a gift to the future generations.. I
> figure the members of this group actually have the knowledge and wisdom to
> set it up.
>
> I do think I know actually where to set it up  were the effect could be
> measured,,  because the total economics is known.  If you are wondering it
> is Malta,, all it has is a very small fishing industry (local) a
> small amount of farming (Ancient fields) and lastly a tourist industry
> which it depends.. There already is a long lasting charity ..  The knights
> of Malta have been around for centuries so they would not be adverse to
> setting it up there..  especially if they got their 15% tax,,
>
> It would be interesting to set up a fund that would take it from a
> backwater tourist destination without much going for it to
> a financial power house of the world..I may not see it but it would be
> kool.. as those that started it would be known historically..
> Just a thought
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mmm! that is great a vision, Allan. we are being optismistic here, but
> > how do we know this ' generation' will walk and see beyond the sunset
> > as we are seeing today? the answer is ' atleast we have done our
> > part'... great initiative.
>
> > On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced
> > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if
> > they
> > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and
> > look
> > > after there interest.
> > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a member
> > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something
> > entirely
> > > different.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the
> > >> solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever
> > >> remain as it is...even worse.
>
> > >> On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and
> > >> > they
> > >> > never feel the sting of the whip.
> > >> > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before
> > >> > the financial crash,  not surprising though the pay raise was never
> > >> removed
> > >> > the extra income,  so they live  at twice the wage while no pay raises
> > >> not
> > >> > even cost of living for public employees  like fire department ,
> > Police
> > >> > people or others..
>
> > >> > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country
> > >> > no
> > >> > matter which  one it is..  Politicians seem to be acting on their own
> > >> > behalf and those of their rich friends..
>
> > >> > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance
> > >> > from friend or family..  with only services of public
> > >> > assistance available to them  and their family. I do know something
> > >> > needs
> > >> > to be done to bring this political privilege under control..  maybe a
> > >> > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery.
> > >> > Allan
>
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do.
> > >> >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has
> > >> >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross.  In
> > the
> > >> >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the
> > >> >> reason nothing can ever get done!
>
> > >> >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that
> > >> >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising
> > >> >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that
> > >> >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone
> > else
> > >> >> doing it and so on.
>
> > >> >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If
> > >> they
> > >> >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point,
> > but
> > >> >> > nothing beyond their means though.
>
> > >> >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be
> > >> >> > interesting,
> > >> >> > Allan
> > >> >> >  On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on
> > trying
> > >> to
> > >> >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare.
>
> > >> >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >> I know Neil  it is but a pittance  that is what so funny about
> > >> >> > >> it..
> > >> >> > >> I
> > >> >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,,   Maybe that is what
> > it
> > >> >> should
> > >> >> > >> be called is the pittance fund..
> > >> >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's
> > interests
> > >> is
> > >> >> self
> > >> >> > >> centered.  creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time
> > and
> > >> >> > >> possibility to get it to grow..  and provide the long term
> > >> >> > >> guidance
> > >> >> to make
> > >> >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the
> > size..
> > >>  at
> > >> >> witch
> > >> >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful
> > than
> > >> the
> > >> >> other
> > >> >> > >> markets..  it takes for sight..
> > >> >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined
> > >> >> > >> wisdom
> > >> >> > >> and knowledge  exceeds that of the normal public. it would be
> > >> chance
> > >> >> to put
> > >> >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and
> > can
> > >> >> not be
> > >> >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
> > >> >> > >> Allan
>
> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess
> > >> >> > >>> money
> > >> >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan.  The money in
> > our
> > >> >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed
> > >> >> > >>> by
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets.
> >  What
> > >> we
> > >> >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and
> > >> organisation.
>
> > >> >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO
> > >> Trust
> > >> >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a
> > news
> > >> -
> > >> >> > >>> > magazine website ...
>
> > >> >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS &
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>
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> > >> >> > >>> > our
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> > >> >> > >>> > the
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> > >> >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology,
> > >> >> > >>> > psychology,
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> > >> >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack
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>
> > >> >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more
> > would
> > >> >> have to
> > >> >> > >>> > be scrounged and how...
>
> > >> >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded  ,, i figured it at
> > >> >> > >>> > >  annual interest payment..  if you take your principle and
> > >> >> > >>> immediately add
> > >> >> > >>> > > the interest  you have increased your principle by that
> > >> amount..
> > >> >>  a
> > >> >> > >>> hundred
> > >> >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect   if you are paying off the
> > >> >> > >>> > > mortgage
> > >> >> > >>> > > on
> > >> >> > >>> your
> > >> >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,,  making a monthly payment,,  if you
> > >> >>  split
> > >> >> > >>> the
> > >> >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the
> > other
> > >> 1/2
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> > >>> the
> > >> >> > >>> > > 15th..  remember you are paying exactly the same amount
> > each
> > >> >> month,,
> > >> >> > >>> > >  instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take
> > you
> > >> >> only 13
> > >> >> > >>> 1/2
> > >> >> > >>> > > years to pay it back..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be
> > >> >> saving
> > >> >> > >>> your
> > >> >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments..  not a bad piece of pocket
> > change
> > >> >> > >>> > > you
> > >> >> > >>> ask me..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used
> > >> >> > >>> intelligently and
> > >> >> > >>> > > effectively?
> > >> >> > >>> > > Allan
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > RP  could you see a company that simply made house
> > payments??
> > >> >>  they
> > >> >> > >>> pay you
> > >> >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month??
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <
> > 123...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so
> > >> >> astronomically
> > >> >> > >>> at a
> > >> >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ?
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <
> > >> allanh1...@gmail.com
>
> > >> >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > > > > Okay  I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am
> > >> sure
> > >> >> > >>> there are
> > >> >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change
>
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