Millionaires in the country ? About 1 percent of the population.
Doesn't seem the US Congress is representative of the population at
all !
On Oct 26, 4:45 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced
> by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if they
> care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and look
> after there interest.
> Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a member
> of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something entirely
> different.
> Allan
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> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the
> > solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever
> > remain as it is...even worse.
>
> > On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and they
> > > never feel the sting of the whip.
> > > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before
> > > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never
> > removed
> > > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises
> > not
> > > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , Police
> > > people or others..
>
> > > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country no
> > > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own
> > > behalf and those of their rich friends..
>
> > > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance
> > > from friend or family.. with only services of public
> > > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something needs
> > > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a
> > > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery.
> > > Allan
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> > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do.
> > >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has
> > >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In the
> > >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the
> > >> reason nothing can ever get done!
>
> > >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that
> > >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising
> > >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that
> > >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone else
> > >> doing it and so on.
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> > >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If
> > they
> > >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, but
> > >> > nothing beyond their means though.
>
> > >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be
> > >> > interesting,
> > >> > Allan
> > >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on trying
> > to
> > >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare.
>
> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about it..
> > >> > >> I
> > >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what it
> > >> should
> > >> > >> be called is the pittance fund..
> > >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's interests
> > is
> > >> self
> > >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time and
> > >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term guidance
> > >> to make
> > >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the size..
> > at
> > >> witch
> > >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful than
> > the
> > >> other
> > >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight..
> > >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined
> > >> > >> wisdom
> > >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be
> > chance
> > >> to put
> > >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and can
> > >> not be
> > >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
> > >> > >> Allan
>
> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess
> > >> > >>> money
> > >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in our
> > >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed by
> > >> the
> > >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. What
> > we
> > >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and
> > organisation.
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> > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO
> > Trust
> > >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a news
> > -
> > >> > >>> > magazine website ...
>
> > >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & REDEFINED
> > >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...
>
> > >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at reclaiming
> > >> > >>> > our
> > >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over the
> > >> world
> > >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology,
> > >> > >>> > psychology,
> > >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance,
> > >> entrepreneurship...
> > >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack
> > Editorial
> > >> > >>> > Team.
>
> > >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more would
> > >> have to
> > >> > >>> > be scrounged and how...
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> > >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at
> > >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and
> > >> > >>> immediately add
> > >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that
> > amount..
> > >> a
> > >> > >>> hundred
> > >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro..
>
> > >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the mortgage
> > >> > >>> > > on
> > >> > >>> your
> > >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you
> > >> split
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the other
> > 1/2
> > >> on
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount each
> > >> month,,
> > >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take you
> > >> only 13
> > >> > >>> 1/2
> > >> > >>> > > years to pay it back..
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> > >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be
> > >> saving
> > >> > >>> your
> > >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket change
> > >> > >>> > > you
> > >> > >>> ask me..
>
> > >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used
> > >> > >>> intelligently and
> > >> > >>> > > effectively?
> > >> > >>> > > Allan
>
> > >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house payments??
> > >> they
> > >> > >>> pay you
> > >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month??
>
> > >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so
> > >> astronomically
> > >> > >>> at a
> > >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ?
>
> > >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <
> > allanh1...@gmail.com
>
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am
> > sure
> > >> > >>> there are
> > >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the world..
> > >> Oddly I
> > >> > >>> really
> > >> > >>> > > > do
> > >> > >>> > > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it will take
> > >> some
> > >> > >>> funds
> > >> > >>> > > > and I
> > >> > >>> > > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to develop
> > >> workable
> > >> > >>> ideas..
> > >> > >>> > > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I do not
> > >> have
> > >> > >>> massive
> > >> > >>> > > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to
> > commit
> > >> to
> > >> > >>> a fund to
> > >> > >>> > > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are willing to
> > >> > >>> develop a
> > >> > >>> > > > world
> > >> > >>> > > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go one
> > for
> > >> > >>> years after
> > >> > >>> > > > we
> > >> > >>> > > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500
> > >> > >>> > > > > onward..
> > >> > >>> > > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like
> > >> > >>> > > > > The principle can not be spent..
> > >> > >>> > > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund
> > >> > >>> administration.
> > >> > >>> > > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the
> > principle
> > >> > >>> every year,
> > >> > >>> > > > (or
> > >> > >>> > > > > more often)
> > >> > >>> > > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do not
> > make
> > >> > >>> nor are
> > >> > >>> > > > meant
> > >> > >>> > > > > to make money just for the improvement of society some
> > >> where..
> > >> > >>> > > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available.
> > >> > >>> > > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it all
> > >> > >>> confused,,
> > >> > >>> > > > anyways
> > >> > >>> > > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set up the
> > >> > >>> funds,,
> > >> > >>> > > > There is
> > >> > >>> > > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind me..
> > If
> > >> > >>> others do
> > >> > >>> > > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own currency
> > and
> > >> to
> > >> > >>> an amount
> > >> > >>> > > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier families... as
> > >> > >>> > > > > once
> > >> > >>> the money
> > >> > >>> > > > is
> > >> > >>> > > > > gone
>
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