small towns and businesses, nuclear families, stay-at-home moms, etc.
It takes two incomes for most couples to "make it". Yes- misfortune is
relative- but that is another topic.//There may be a myth that
Democracy doesn't foster elite crimes against the general population
as in the rule of aristocrats and tyrants- but as we know, that is not
the case. Consider war profiteers, unsafe food and drugs, etc. Cheer
up! There will always be a need for honest police and whistle blowers!
On Oct 24, 7:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't give up on the idea we can police elite crime rigsy. The job
> market has changed far more than for jobs to be freed-up by women
> returning to the maternity ward and kitchen. I don't think its all
> relative either either. This kind of underlying negativityprevents
> change.
>
> On Oct 24, 10:23 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Machines/technology are replacing human labor. Children might do
> > better being educated via computer and leave socialization to play
> > groups and sports. The military can effect as much damage via remote
> > control. But- will women return to being stay-at-home moms/homemakers
> > thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I doubt it - it has
> > become an ego/security matter for Western women. There will always be
> > cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much monetary losses as the
> > "elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number of zeros.
>
> > On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > There was philosophy once called logical positivism. \\it's people
> > > were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. If you have a few
> > > hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the end it got so
> > > concerned with words they were all that was left. Strangely it was
> > > accused of being crude in its use of brute fact.
>
> > > The problem as I see it is that we want democracy but have not found a
> > > way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions made through the
> > > sway of ignorance, and further problems with the corruption of
> > > representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in perfection are doomed
> > > or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
>
> > > One might try to produce communication free of ideology and this let
> > > Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far as I can see this
> > > never works - and Habermas only suggests his 'ideal speech situation'
> > > as an ideal type (following Weber).
>
> > > The best positive I can reach is that we could change our material
> > > conditions to produce less discontent. To get to an understanding of
> > > this we need to agree on some basic facts - and the move towards these
> > > is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can remember when it was
> > > possible for most in the West to get somewhere near this because there
> > > were plenty of well paid jobs about. Oversimplifying a lot this is
> > > not now the case and we need to establish what the new conditions are.
>
> > > Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in which our work
> > > ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite nicely on a 30hr
> > > working week and a 40 week year with retirement at 60 whilst
> > > increasing current production. I am only guessing, but the reason I
> > > have to guess is odd. Why don't we know? There are perhaps a dozen
> > > vital areas like this to which we have no accepted answers.
>
> > > The positive moves are all about establishing facts and the first of
> > > these has to be an explanation of why we are so bad at this and
> > > whether new technology can help break the 'spell'. Here, the paradox
> > > is we need the technology to start working to this end with most
> > > people not able to understand why and an existing situation in which
> > > dominant education and media will try to pervert any attempts.
>
> > > Many are discussing these issues in great detail. I'm sure a few of
> > > us could put a '101' together from Internet sources. Semiotics is a
> > > key discipline in the critique (Michael Betancourt), as is
> > > environmental science (as opposed to the Kymer Vert) and most
> > > economics that you don't get on Fox and the increasingly dumb BBC
> > > (Steve Keen) One can even argue the Tea Party and OccupyX have
> > > similar protest issues. You can get a radical smear of this on the
> > > Keiser Report (courtesy on Russia Today).
>
> > > The aim is already worked out - a return to economies with a link
> > > between toil (labour value) and reward and money in people's hands,
> > > not hoarded by an elite or subject to their looting- and meaningful
> > > democracy.- Hide quoted text -
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