that might mean), motive and intent buried in the basis of authority.
I take your meaning is that there are a few deeply rooted memes for a
weak basis on authority, and it makes me wonder about how we assess a
disproportionate amount of authority on achievement and how this gets
corrupted by the apparent values celebrated in our society. Is this in
dissonance with nature, I wonder, or are we as mesmerized by it as the
bird or fish to a shiny object. I'm trying to scrap out a few
paragraphs here and there on rhetoric and writing to get a grasp of my
own, hopefully it will light a fire under my pen. An act of futility
perhaps..
On 10/15/11, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think we are all stuck. Certainly there are many memes that
> are, and many that are not. Spiral Dynamics is a good model that
> allows us to understand the states and stages of humanity, and how we
> each spiral up and down them in our lifetime. Someone who can't see
> past their ethnocentric or egocentric view will play the power card.
>
> On Oct 14, 10:42 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I once lived amongst mice - it was a university psychology thingy. I
>> first wondered why the subordinate mice didn't overthrow the king
>> mouse and he (he was always male) always kept his crew in vicious
>> check ans "poverty". I knew the underling males could be trained and
>> fed to defeat him. Later I just saw that nothing changed except the
>> identity of the king mouse. I grew to quite like individual mice but
>> not the mouse society.
>> Currently, though we have an extensive understanding of genetic-
>> environment-evolution stuff - sufficient at least to make most nature-
>> nurture debate old hat - we are still stuck in a misunderstanding of
>> our animal situation and in dire myths that hide the nature of motives
>> even from those who lay claim to extirpate ideology. One wants to
>> live and let live, yet this is never enough. We need 'power' of some
>> kind to negate power itself - or fatalism.
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2:03 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
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>> > Though motives can work themselves into a snarl- like yarn or string-
>> > and one often needs time (maturity and education) to follow the path
>> > backwards. (The Labyrinth myth comes to mind.)
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 1:36 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Man is bound by God through genetics , environment etc. , but all of
>> > > it so hidden that to an individual he is absolutely free , and free he
>> > > is as he is the agent , it is he who decides and acts and as such the
>> > > bonds beings so subtle as to be unconscious , he is consciously doing
>> > > everything freely.If we can be aware of our real motives we can
>> > > control our actions to some degree and it is in that way that
>> > > knowledge of our hidden motives can help us.
>>
>> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by
>> > > > genetics/evolution/
>> > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through
>> > > > knowledge?
>>
>> > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are
>> > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world
>> > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are
>> > > >> just a
>> > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action
>> > > >> as
>> > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are
>> > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's
>> > > >> presence
>> > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in
>> > > >> man's
>> > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless
>> > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity
>> > > >> on
>> > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible
>> > > >> for
>> > > >> your every action and inaction.
>>
>> > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as
>> > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning !
>>
>> > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter,
>> > > >> > and
>> > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom.
>>
>> > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is
>> > > >> >> man
>> > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and
>> > > >> >> not to
>> > > >> >> God.
>>
>> > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> >> wrote:
>> > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God
>> > > >> >> > alone..."
>> > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative !
>>
>> > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary.
>>
>> > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and
>> > > >> >> >> > everything
>> > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary
>> > > >> >> >> > follows --
>> > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to
>> > > >> >> >> > man and
>> > > >> >> >> > society.- Hide quoted text -
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