On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I do not want to think I would want to it is far to much money and it has been said it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven.AllanOn Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:55 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:Great vision , Allan. Maybe , after 500 year you will come back to
life to head the Trust which you are proposing to found.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> I normally buy my books though the ""Book Depository" in England,, I like
> their world wide free shipping.. either that I send you the money you sign
> it then send it to me..
> It is true it repeats itself regularly.. CERN is not looking for a red
> face..
> I do not see them rushing to build a second CERN they are a little beyond
> my pocket change at the moment (see me in 500 year then we will talk about
> it)
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > okay Pat to quote you: Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that
>> > which
>> > they WANT to see.
>> >
>> > That is true,, except it is strange that on random timed tests the same
>> > event occurs and they are checking for neutrinos else where looking to
>> > eliminate the random event .. what they are saying is "a particle is
>> > arriving before it should.".. that it,, but that is very interesting..
>> >
>> > what it is time will tell
>> > Allan
>> >
>>
>> Again, I agree. Time will tell and the experiment and potential
>> result were interesting. It just needs to be repeated regularly, now,
>> using different (but similar) equipment and between different
>> locations. It still could end up only implying that the neutrinos are
>> discovering ways to exploit extra-dimensional short-cuts rather than
>> actually moving faster-than-light.
>>
>> BTW, everyone, I'm still on target for a 21-Dec-2011 release date for
>> my book; however, the publisher has, now, changed the name of the
>> publishing company and it will be published by 'New Lime Publishing'.
>> I'll get you (plural) the website as soon as it's up and running. I
>> promise that New Lime will get you your copies as quickly as Amazon
>> would; but, with a VERY key difference: when we see any of your names
>> on the order forms, you can rest assured that your copies will be
>> signed by the author (that's me!) with a unique message for each of
>> you!!!! Through Amazon, that kind of 'order scrutiny' would be
>> impossible.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Oct 7, 7:45 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I don't think they know for sure just what they know for sure just
>> > > > what
>> > > they
>> > > > are something is arriving before the speed of light sez it should.
>> >
>> > > > I think that is cool
>> > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > I think it's interesting, but they still can't rule out the fact that
>> > > the neutrinos that arrived 'early' MAY have not come from CERN. Every
>> > > star emits neutrinos in all directions at any time and as it is very
>> > > difficult to stop neutrinos, they pass through most
>> > > everything...including the Earth. The fact that Gran Sasso had
>> > > created an object that WOULD stop neutrinos guarantees that, at some
>> > > point in time, it would do just that. They'll never be able to rule
>> > > out the possibility that the 'early' neutrinos may have been sourced
>> > > from some place other than CERN and that will always cause doubt. If
>> > > the scientists don't accept that, then they are as idiotic as the
>> > > Church was when it demanded that the Sun revolve around the Earth.
>> > > Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which they WANT to see.
>> > > If they discover that neutrinos can consistently arrive at their
>> > > destination faster than the speed of light, it may not upset Special
>> > > Relativity at all, rather, it may provide evidence that the neutrinos
>> > > are taking a short cut via a different dimension. If so, then it
>> > > points towards a String Theory-based universe. As I said...we'll
>> > > see. I'm still publishing based on Special Relativity and my book
>> > > explains what I've said above regarding other potential sources for
>> > > the neutrinos. This result begs more questions than it answers and
>> > > THAT little fact only helps me with regard to String Theory. ;-)
>> >
>> > > > On Oct 7, 2011 8:39 PM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure
>> > > > > they
>> > > > > are neutrinos.
>> >
>> > > > > On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked..
>> > > > > > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts
>> > > > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat
>> > > > > > <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what I
>> > > > > > > > think
>> > > > > they
>> > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we
>> > > > > > > > know
>> > > and
>> > > > > > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to verify
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to
>> > > > > > > > with in
>> > > 18
>> > > > > cm
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping the
>> > > traffic
>> > > > > > > though
>> > > > > > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with
>> > > measurements..
>> >
>> > > > > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that
>> > > > > > > > when
>> > > you
>> > > > > > > think
>> > > > > > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new models
>> > > > > > > > will
>> > > look
>> > > > > > > like
>> > > > > > > > ,, any ideas Pat?
>> > > > > > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't from
>> > > > > > > CERN,
>> > > > > > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that.
>> > > > > > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the Calabi-Yau
>> > > > > > > space
>> > > as
>> > > > > > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a
>> > > > > > > form of
>> > > > > > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to
>> > > > > > > take
>> > > short-
>> > > > > > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that
>> > > > > > > were
>> > > > > > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String
>> > > > > > > Theory,
>> > > > > > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly
>> > > > > > > unique way
>> > > as
>> > > > > > > to appear AS neutrinos.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world
>> > > > > > > > > without
>> > > > > data
>> > > > > > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant
>> > > > > > > > > reception.
>> > > My
>> > > > > > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into
>> > > > > > > > > social
>> > > > > > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded.
>> > > > > > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is
>> > > > > > > > > they
>> > > may
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility
>> > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they
>> > > > > > > > > > did a
>> > > lot
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some
>> > > > > > > > > > particals are
>> > > > > > > arriving
>> > > > > > > > > > sooner than they should.
>> > > > > > > > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l.
>> > > > > > > ..
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification
>> > > > > > > > > > > > I've
>> > > heard.
>> > > > > > > One or
>> > > > > > > > > > > > two might be interested.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a
>> > > different
>> > > > > > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance is
>> > > > > illusory.
>> > > > > > > > > Knowing
>> > > > > > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town.
>> > > People at
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > but
>> > > are
>> > > > > > > spinning
>> > > > > > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they
>> > > > > > > > > > > > are
>> > > > > right.
>> > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists
>> > > these
>> > > > > days -
>> > > > > > > > > it's
>> > > > > > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue
>> > > > > > > > > > > > is
>> > > > > compared
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely
>> > > > > > > > > > > > understood and
>> > > > > reality
>> > > > > > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for
>> > > > > President.
>> > > > > > > Never
>> > > > > > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much to
>> > > > > Einstein's
>> > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us
>> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking in
>> > > > > more
>> > > > > > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. This
>> > > > > > > > > > > > is
>> > > where
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. We
>> > > remain
>> > > > > > > medieval
>> > > > > > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > very
>> > > > > > > rational
>> > > > > > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false
>> > > > > > > > > > > > notion of
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > > > into
>> > > > > > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of non-science
>> > > "science"
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so
>> > > > > > > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > values,passion,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned
>> > > > > > > > > > > > as
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that
>> > > > > > > > > > > > might be
>> > > > > > > tachyons
>> > > > > > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific
>> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking,yet
>> > > > > years
>> > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own
>> > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > > > > poverty
>> > > > > > > > > hardly
>> > > > > > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this
>> > > intolerable.
>> > > > > > > It's
>> > > > > > > > > > > > like living in a world without data.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into
>> > > account
>> > > > > > > before
>> > > > > > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance
>> > > involved
>> > > > > MUST
>> > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds,
>> > > otherwise
>> > > > > > > they've
>> > > > > > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth
>> > > tremors
>> > > > > > > between
>> > > > > > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the time
>> > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Secondly,
>> > > > > there is
>> > > > > > > no
>> > > > > > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do
>> > > > > > > > > > > they
>> > > know
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination
>> > > > > > > > > > > at
>> > > Gran
>> > > > > > > Sasso
>> > > > > > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of
>> > > > > > > > > > > billions
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > stars
>> > > > > > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other
>> > > galaxies,
>> > > > > there
>> > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at
>> > > > > > > > > > > just
>> > > the
>> > > > > right
>> > > > > > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right
>> > > direction
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit
>> > > neutrinos
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources of
>> > > neutrinos
>> > > > > and,
>> > > > > > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very
>> > > > > > > > > > > difficult
>> > > to
>> > > > > stop
>> > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos
>> > > > > > > > > > > that
>> > > landed
>> > > > > at
>> > > > > > > Gran
>> > > > > > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact,
>> > > > > > > > > > > from
>> > > an
>> > > > > > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh
>> > > > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > impossible;
>> > > > > > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant
>> > > result,
>> > > > > > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in
>> > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > > States
>> > > > > a
>> > > > > > > few
>> > > > > > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a
>> > > > > miscalculation
>> > > > > > > had
>> > > > > > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light
>> > > > > > > > > > > remained
>> >
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