I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never removed the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises not even cost of living for public employees like fire department , Police people or others..
I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country no matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own behalf and those of their rich friends..
Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance from friend or family.. with only services of public assistance available to them and their family. I do know something needs to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery.
Allan
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do.
In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has
many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In the
process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the
reason nothing can ever get done!
One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that
makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising
pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that
there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone else
doing it and so on.
On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If they
> wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, but
> nothing beyond their means though.
>
> I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be
> interesting,
> Allan
> On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on trying to
> > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare.
>
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about it.. I
> >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what it should
> >> be called is the pittance fund..
> >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's interests is self
> >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time and
> >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term guidance to make
> >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the size.. at witch
> >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful than the other
> >> markets.. it takes for sight..
> >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined wisdom
> >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be chance to put
> >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and can not be
> >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
> >> Allan
>
> ...> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess money
> >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in our
> >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed by the
> >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. What we
> >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and organisation.
>
> >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO Trust
> >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a news -
> >>> > magazine website ...
>
> >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & REDEFINED
> >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...
>
> >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at reclaiming our
> >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over the world
> >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, psychology,
> >>> > economics, management, public service, governance, entrepreneurship...
> >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack Editorial
> >>> > Team.
>
> >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more would have to
> >>> > be scrounged and how...
>
> >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at
> >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and
> >>> immediately add
> >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that amount.. a
> >>> hundred
> >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro..
>
> >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the mortgage on
> >>> your
> >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you split
> >>> the
> >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the other 1/2 on
> >>> the
> >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount each month,,
> >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take you only 13
> >>> 1/2
> >>> > > years to pay it back..
>
> >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be saving
> >>> your
> >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket change you
> >>> ask me..
>
> >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used
> >>> intelligently and
> >>> > > effectively?
> >>> > > Allan
>
> >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house payments?? they
> >>> pay you
> >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month??
>
> >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so astronomically
> >>> at a
> >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ?
>
> >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am sure
> >>> there are
> >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the world.. Oddly I
> >>> really
> >>> > > > do
> >>> > > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it will take some
> >>> funds
> >>> > > > and I
> >>> > > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to develop workable
> >>> ideas..
> >>> > > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I do not have
> >>> massive
> >>> > > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to commit to
> >>> a fund to
> >>> > > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are willing to
> >>> develop a
> >>> > > > world
> >>> > > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go one for
> >>> years after
> >>> > > > we
> >>> > > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500 onward..
> >>> > > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like
> >>> > > > > The principle can not be spent..
> >>> > > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund
> >>> administration.
> >>> > > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the principle
> >>> every year,
> >>> > > > (or
> >>> > > > > more often)
> >>> > > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do not make
> >>> nor are
> >>> > > > meant
> >>> > > > > to make money just for the improvement of society some where..
> >>> > > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available.
> >>> > > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it all
> >>> confused,,
> >>> > > > anyways
> >>> > > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set up the
> >>> funds,,
> >>> > > > There is
> >>> > > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind me.. If
> >>> others do
> >>> > > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own currency and to
> >>> an amount
> >>> > > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier families... as once
> >>> the money
> >>> > > > is
> >>> > > > > gone it is gone and can not be expect to have it returned.
> >>> > > > > If we set it up and develop it correctly in five hundred years
> >>> that 100
> >>> > > > > Euros will have a value if it grows at a simple 4% of:
> >>> > > > > 32,860,158,157.oo Euro
> >>> > > > > 32 billion is an amount that can have some on going effects to
> >>> improve
> >>> > > > > society.. It is called putting your money where your mouth is..
> >>> The
> >>> > > > > question is who wants to run it.. I am not able to Vam? Molly?
> >>> Neil?
> >>> > > > Chris?
> >>> > > > > Rigsy? hmmm
> >>> > > > > Allan
>
> >>> > > > > Because
>
> >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> > > > >> Ah, Rigs... that isn't as tragic... as the fact that Cheats are
> >>> Elites
> >>> > > > >> and Elites are Thieves !
>
> >>> > > > >> On Oct 24, 2:23 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> > > > >> > Machines/technology are replacing human labor. Children might
> >>> do
> >>> > > > >> > better being educated via computer and leave socialization to
> >>> play
> >>> > > > >> > groups and sports. The military can effect as much damage via
> >>> remote
> >>> > > > >> > control. But- will women return to being stay-at-home
> >>> moms/homemakers
> >>> > > > >> > thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I doubt it - it
> >>> has
> >>> > > > >> > become an ego/security matter for Western women. There will
> >>> always be
> >>> > > > >> > cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much monetary
> >>> losses as the
> >>> > > > >> > "elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number of zeros.
>
> >>> > > > >> > On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > > >> > > There was philosophy once called logical positivism.
> >>> \\it's people
> >>> > > > >> > > were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. If you
> >>> have a few
> >>> > > > >> > > hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the end it
> >>> got so
> >>> > > > >> > > concerned with words they were all that was left.
> >>> Strangely it was
> >>> > > > >> > > accused of being crude in its use of brute fact.
>
> >>> > > > >> > > The problem as I see it is that we want democracy but have
> >>> not
> >>> > > > found a
> >>> > > > >> > > way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions made
> >>> through the
> >>> > > > >> > > sway of ignorance, and further problems with the corruption
> >>> of
> >>> > > > >> > > representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in perfection
> >>> are doomed
> >>> > > > >> > > or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
>
> >>> > > > >> > > One might try to produce communication free of ideology and
> >>> this let
> >>> > > > >> > > Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far as I can
> >>> see this
> >>> > > > >> > > never works - and Habermas only suggests his 'ideal speech
> >>> > > > situation'
> >>> > > > >> > > as an ideal type (following Weber).
>
> >>> > > > >> > > The best positive I can reach is that we could change our
> >>> material
> >>> > > > >> > > conditions to produce less discontent. To get to an
> >>> understanding
> >>> > > > of
> >>> > > > >> > > this we need to agree on some basic facts - and the move
> >>> towards
> >>> > > > these
> >>> > > > >> > > is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can remember
> >>> when it
> >>> > > > was
> >>> > > > >> > > possible for most in the West to get somewhere near this
> >>> because
> >>> > > > there
> >>> > > > >> > > were plenty of well paid jobs about. Oversimplifying a lot
> >>> this is
> >>> > > > >> > > not now the case and we need to establish what the new
> >>> conditions
> >>> > > > are.
>
> >>> > > > >> > > Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in which our
> >>> work
> >>> > > > >> > > ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite nicely on
> >>> a 30hr
> >>> > > > >> > > working week and a 40 week year with
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