Allan
As for Taxes Rigsy,, some times you pay taxes to support the government,, after all that is what allows and protects your trust fund, allowing it to grow.. the concept is not one for just a couple of years,, were are talking about many generations passing some where around 15 generations.. it takes advantage of long term.. so you want the local government happy.. after 200 years you will be contribution major funds for government expenses so they will not want to bite the hand that feeds them..
Allan
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:42 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's apple harvest time in Washingtion state. An apple picker can earn
$150. a day but I guess American youths would rather mess up city
squares with baloney. The apple harvest- which impacts the supply for
the entire USA- is at risk for lack of workers. The story was on PBS
News Hour last night.//I need breakfast.
On Oct 27, 6:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Besides being a future project it is a great but will prove the wisdom of
> this group of nothing else.. and a gift to the future generations.. I
> figure the members of this group actually have the knowledge and wisdom to
> set it up.
>
> I do think I know actually where to set it up were the effect could be
> measured,, because the total economics is known. If you are wondering it
> is Malta,, all it has is a very small fishing industry (local) a
> small amount of farming (Ancient fields) and lastly a tourist industry
> which it depends.. There already is a long lasting charity .. The knights
> of Malta have been around for centuries so they would not be adverse to
> setting it up there.. especially if they got their 15% tax,,
>
> It would be interesting to set up a fund that would take it from a
> backwater tourist destination without much going for it to
> a financial power house of the world..I may not see it but it would be
> kool.. as those that started it would be known historically..
> Just a thought
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mmm! that is great a vision, Allan. we are being optismistic here, but
> > how do we know this ' generation' will walk and see beyond the sunset
> > as we are seeing today? the answer is ' atleast we have done our
> > part'... great initiative.
>
> > On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <richsu...@gmail.com>
> > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced
> > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if
> > they
> > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and
> > look
> > > after there interest.
> > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a member
> > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something
> > entirely
> > > different.
> > > Allan
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the
> > >> solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever
> > >> remain as it is...even worse.
>
> > >> On 10/26/11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and
> > >> > they
> > >> > never feel the sting of the whip.
> > >> > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before
> > >> > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never
> > >> removed
> > >> > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises
> > >> not
> > >> > even cost of living for public employees like fire department ,
> > Police
> > >> > people or others..
>
> > >> > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country
> > >> > no
> > >> > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own
> > >> > behalf and those of their rich friends..
>
> > >> > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance
> > >> > from friend or family.. with only services of public
> > >> > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something
> > >> > needs
> > >> > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a
> > >> > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery.
> > >> > Allan
>
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do.
> > >> >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has
> > >> >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In
> > the
> > >> >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the
> > >> >> reason nothing can ever get done!
>
> > >> >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that
> > >> >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising
> > >> >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that
> > >> >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone
> > else
> > >> >> doing it and so on.
>
> > >> >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If
> > >> they
> > >> >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point,
> > but
> > >> >> > nothing beyond their means though.
>
> > >> >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be
> > >> >> > interesting,
> > >> >> > Allan
> > >> >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on
> > trying
> > >> to
> > >> >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare.
>
> > >> >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about
> > >> >> > >> it..
> > >> >> > >> I
> > >> >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what
> > it
> > >> >> should
> > >> >> > >> be called is the pittance fund..
> > >> >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's
> > interests
> > >> is
> > >> >> self
> > >> >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time
> > and
> > >> >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term
> > >> >> > >> guidance
> > >> >> to make
> > >> >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the
> > size..
> > >> at
> > >> >> witch
> > >> >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful
> > than
> > >> the
> > >> >> other
> > >> >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight..
> > >> >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined
> > >> >> > >> wisdom
> > >> >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be
> > >> chance
> > >> >> to put
> > >> >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and
> > can
> > >> >> not be
> > >> >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
> > >> >> > >> Allan
>
> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess
> > >> >> > >>> money
> > >> >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in
> > our
> > >> >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed
> > >> >> > >>> by
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets.
> > What
> > >> we
> > >> >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and
> > >> organisation.
>
> > >> >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO
> > >> Trust
> > >> >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a
> > news
> > >> -
> > >> >> > >>> > magazine website ...
>
> > >> >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS &
> > REDEFINED
> > >> >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...
>
> > >> >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at
> > reclaiming
> > >> >> > >>> > our
> > >> >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over
> > >> >> > >>> > the
> > >> >> world
> > >> >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology,
> > >> >> > >>> > psychology,
> > >> >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance,
> > >> >> entrepreneurship...
> > >> >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack
> > >> Editorial
> > >> >> > >>> > Team.
>
> > >> >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more
> > would
> > >> >> have to
> > >> >> > >>> > be scrounged and how...
>
> > >> >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at
> > >> >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and
> > >> >> > >>> immediately add
> > >> >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that
> > >> amount..
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> > >>> hundred
> > >> >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the
> > >> >> > >>> > > mortgage
> > >> >> > >>> > > on
> > >> >> > >>> your
> > >> >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you
> > >> >> split
> > >> >> > >>> the
> > >> >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the
> > other
> > >> 1/2
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> > >>> the
> > >> >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount
> > each
> > >> >> month,,
> > >> >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take
> > you
> > >> >> only 13
> > >> >> > >>> 1/2
> > >> >> > >>> > > years to pay it back..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be
> > >> >> saving
> > >> >> > >>> your
> > >> >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket
> > change
> > >> >> > >>> > > you
> > >> >> > >>> ask me..
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used
> > >> >> > >>> intelligently and
> > >> >> > >>> > > effectively?
> > >> >> > >>> > > Allan
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house
> > payments??
> > >> >> they
> > >> >> > >>> pay you
> > >> >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month??
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <
> > 123...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so
> > >> >> astronomically
> > >> >> > >>> at a
> > >> >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ?
>
> > >> >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <
> > >> allanh1...@gmail.com
>
> > >> >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am
> > >> sure
> > >> >> > >>> there are
> > >> >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change
>
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