Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's interests is self centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time and possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term guidance to make it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the size.. at witch time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful than the other markets.. it takes for sight..
What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined wisdom and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be chance to put our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and can not be faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,,
Allan
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess money
may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in our
pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed by the
same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. What we
should focus on is how we can build through effort and organisation.
On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO Trust
> ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a news -
> magazine website ...
>
> WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & REDEFINED
> THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...
>
> We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at reclaiming our
> lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over the world
> in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, psychology,
> economics, management, public service, governance, entrepreneurship...
> along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack Editorial
> Team.
>
> We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more would have to
> be scrounged and how...
>
> On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
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>
>
> > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at
> > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and immediately add
> > the interest you have increased your principle by that amount.. a hundred
> > euro becomes 104 Euro..
>
> > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the mortgage on your
> > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you split the
> > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the other 1/2 on the
> > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount each month,,
> > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take you only 13 1/2
> > years to pay it back..
>
> > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be saving your
> > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket change you ask me..
>
> > Does that help you understand they power of money if used intelligently and
> > effectively?
> > Allan
>
> > RP could you see a company that simply made house payments?? they pay you
> > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month??
>
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so astronomically at a
> > > simple rate of interest of 4% ?
>
> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am sure there are
> > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the world.. Oddly I really
> > > do
> > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it will take some funds
> > > and I
> > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to develop workable ideas..
> > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I do not have massive
> > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to commit to a fund to
> > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are willing to develop a
> > > world
> > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go one for years after
> > > we
> > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500 onward..
> > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like
> > > > The principle can not be spent..
> > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund administration.
> > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the principle every year,
> > > (or
> > > > more often)
> > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do not make nor are
> > > meant
> > > > to make money just for the improvement of society some where..
> > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available.
> > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it all confused,,
> > > anyways
> > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set up the funds,,
> > > There is
> > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind me.. If others do
> > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own currency and to an amount
> > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier families... as once the money
> > > is
> > > > gone it is gone and can not be expect to have it returned.
> > > > If we set it up and develop it correctly in five hundred years that 100
> > > > Euros will have a value if it grows at a simple 4% of:
> > > > 32,860,158,157.oo Euro
> > > > 32 billion is an amount that can have some on going effects to improve
> > > > society.. It is called putting your money where your mouth is.. The
> > > > question is who wants to run it.. I am not able to Vam? Molly? Neil?
> > > Chris?
> > > > Rigsy? hmmm
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > Because
>
> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Ah, Rigs... that isn't as tragic... as the fact that Cheats are Elites
> > > >> and Elites are Thieves !
>
> > > >> On Oct 24, 2:23 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Machines/technology are replacing human labor. Children might do
> > > >> > better being educated via computer and leave socialization to play
> > > >> > groups and sports. The military can effect as much damage via remote
> > > >> > control. But- will women return to being stay-at-home moms/homemakers
> > > >> > thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I doubt it - it has
> > > >> > become an ego/security matter for Western women. There will always be
> > > >> > cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much monetary losses as the
> > > >> > "elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number of zeros.
>
> > > >> > On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > There was philosophy once called logical positivism. \\it's people
> > > >> > > were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. If you have a few
> > > >> > > hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the end it got so
> > > >> > > concerned with words they were all that was left. Strangely it was
> > > >> > > accused of being crude in its use of brute fact.
>
> > > >> > > The problem as I see it is that we want democracy but have not
> > > found a
> > > >> > > way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions made through the
> > > >> > > sway of ignorance, and further problems with the corruption of
> > > >> > > representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in perfection are doomed
> > > >> > > or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
>
> > > >> > > One might try to produce communication free of ideology and this let
> > > >> > > Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far as I can see this
> > > >> > > never works - and Habermas only suggests his 'ideal speech
> > > situation'
> > > >> > > as an ideal type (following Weber).
>
> > > >> > > The best positive I can reach is that we could change our material
> > > >> > > conditions to produce less discontent. To get to an understanding
> > > of
> > > >> > > this we need to agree on some basic facts - and the move towards
> > > these
> > > >> > > is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can remember when it
> > > was
> > > >> > > possible for most in the West to get somewhere near this because
> > > there
> > > >> > > were plenty of well paid jobs about. Oversimplifying a lot this is
> > > >> > > not now the case and we need to establish what the new conditions
> > > are.
>
> > > >> > > Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in which our work
> > > >> > > ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite nicely on a 30hr
> > > >> > > working week and a 40 week year with retirement at 60 whilst
> > > >> > > increasing current production. I am only guessing, but the reason I
> > > >> > > have to guess is odd. Why don't we know? There are perhaps a dozen
> > > >> > > vital areas like this to which we have no accepted answers.
>
> > > >> > > The positive moves are all about establishing facts and the first of
> > > >> > > these has to be an explanation of why we are so bad at this and
> > > >> > > whether new technology can help break the 'spell'. Here, the
> > > paradox
> > > >> > > is we need the technology to start working to this end with most
> > > >> > > people not able to understand why and an existing situation in which
> > > >> > > dominant education and media will try to pervert any attempts.
>
> > > >> > > Many are discussing these issues in great detail. I'm sure a few of
> > > >> > > us could put a '101' together from Internet sources. Semiotics is a
> > > >> > > key discipline in the critique (Michael Betancourt), as is
> > > >> > > environmental science (as opposed to the Kymer Vert) and most
> > > >> > > economics that you don't get on Fox and the increasingly dumb BBC
> > > >> > > (Steve Keen) One can even argue the Tea Party and OccupyX have
> > > >> > > similar protest issues. You can get a radical smear of this on the
> > > >> > > Keiser Report (courtesy on Russia Today).
>
> > > >> > > The aim is already worked out - a return to economies with a link
> > > >> > > between toil (labour value) and reward and money in people's hands,
> > > >> > > not hoarded by an elite or subject to their looting- and meaningful
> > > >> > > democracy.
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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