of gold- like prostitutes, etc.-when they can be as mean and nasty as
some rich fop.
On Dec 15, 4:42 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No need to get all snippy Vam. My comment was honest and wasn't meant to be
> insulting. Human nature isn't going to change to fit anyone's ideal of how
> we should all get along. It's just not going to happen. Ever. There will
> always be winners and there will always be losers. The vast majority of us
> plod along somewhere in the middle. I believe in giving others opportunity
> and encouragement. I do not believe in hand outs and the perpetual Nanny
> State. Enabling, indeed, actually fostering a lifetime of dependance on
> other's blood, sweat and tears is degrading in the extreme. Both to the
> giver and the receiver.
>
> I think you understand how bad the world economy is. I think you're aware
> of the massive political chicanery known colloquially as "crony
> capitalism." When we are at the point where you must be in Government to
> succeed then that's where the sharks will gravitate. And us tax payers will
> give them our money and they will decide which monopolies to give it to so
> they can receive their kick backs. I mean campaign donations. Laws will be
> passed to protect the favored companies(such as GE) while rivals(energy
> companies) are punished with regulation and perpetual dragging of feet to
> get permission to run a pipeline or drill. Thus is the way of the world and
> wishing isn't going to change it. I'd rather instill in our youth a burning
> ambition to succeed. To become the next Steve Jobs or Carlos Slim or John
> D. Rockefeller. Telling them the government owes them a living probably
> isn't the best way to accomplish this.
>
> Not sure what you mean bringing up Africans and Indian aborigines. That is
> a problem for Africa and India, no? I would welcome them here, of course.
> We need all the immigrants we can get to help pay my social security in
> about 30 years. It's the only way I'll ever see a dime. Come on down but
> bring a healthy work ethic. Freeloaders get the boot. Well, in my little
> fantasy world they do anyway. What, Capitalists can't dream? There are no
> race cards in my deck buddy.
>
> I have no objection to a people "growing as they will" either. I'm sure we
> have something they want. In fact, Vam, I wonder if that really isn't at
> the root of much of the trouble? Could it be......Envy? Everybody looooves
> to bash on the Big Bad USA but looking around I still see we seem to be
> doing......better then most. Even if the whole thing IS a house of cards.
> Where will your high-minded ideals come in when those cards come down?
> It'll be every man for himself and dog eat dog. Family and friends first.
>
> Oh my I think I may have gone off the reservation here. Morals. No, tithing
> doesn't necessarily equate to having a high moral standard. However, in the
> case of JD Sr. and Jr. their largesse knew no bounds. Excessively frugal
> in their personal lives and excessively generous in their public lives.
> Honestly, with a simple look at history and current events I don't see how
> ANYONE could dislike or resent rich people as a class. They give more than
> anybody else. By a fairly large margin.
>
> dj
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > " morals = tithe faithfully "
>
> > That's how pathetic the belief springs from :
> > " Without an avenue to create wealth people will be less productive
> > which means there will be less largess for the needy and helpless."
>
> > The people " here " are less naive than you, Don. Much, much less, I
> > must point out.
>
> > It's not the absence of avenues of wealth creation they seek. They
> > seek people who can create wealth and disown its power of becoming a
> > weapon to enslave others, deny others, own others, influence public
> > policy, affect electoral outcomes, buy off common resources for
> > commercial and personal gains, acquire rights to do as one pleases
> > with the right to ownership of property, skew world world markets,
> > twists financial structures...
>
> > In short, stop creating lesser " dog-like " mercenary humans amongst
> > us, degrade environments, and actually reduce opportunities for
> > populations everywhere to grow, as they will, not as they are
> > commanded by the money bags for the latter's feudal interests.
>
> > They can keep all their wealth and splurge it in the luxury market.
> > But not in owning people, markets, finance structures and instruments,
> > land, natural resources, investing in electoral outcomes and public
> > policy, etc.
>
> > I hope you now understand the people " here " ... they believe the
> > Rockfeller is no more or less than Indian aborigine you've denied or
> > the African native who is yet to learn to be as smart as the white
> > folk, or the homeless tramp closer home. If he can't be homeless,
> > because of his wealth, he at least can extend his understanding and
> > initiative for their benefit, being only as human and no more. If he
> > can't be as unsmart as the African, he can at least enable them and
> > not derive advantage. If he can't undo the fate if the Indian
> > American, he can at least stand with them and admit his wrong.
>
> > On Dec 14, 4:45 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm couldn't disagree more. The most successful people in the world
> > > are often driven by a high sense of morals. J.D. Rockefeller in
> > > particular was scrupulously honest and even before
> > > he obtained success and could afford it. Without an avenue to create
> > > wealth people will be less productive which means there will be less
> > > largess for the needy and helpless. I wonder at the naivete I see
> > > here. Will everyone truly be more happy when we are all distitute? I
> > > think not.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Dec 6, 1:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Francis of Assisi once said that it is better to understand than be
> > > > understood. there is a time to understand what the wise men of the
> > past had
> > > > to say and why they said it.
> > > > The world has a lot of problems today and a great deal of double talk
> > and
> > > > little action or direction. Most and a lot of what is said is
> > irrelevant
> > > > and immaterial.
>
> > > > The changes the world needs to escape from a market economy and back
> > more
> > > > to a traditional economy where local value come into much greater
> > play,
> > > > this is where the jobs are created,, On the other hand in the market
> > > > economy everything is driven by the profit. The profit concept and the
> > loss
> > > > or creation of jobs is entirely irrevelent,, all that is of importance
> > is
> > > > making a profit no matter the effect on the population. As I examine
> > the
> > > > problem looking for what has changed what seems to pop out is the loss
> > of
> > > > morality. Oddly what I do not see is the extreme protestant view
> > > > that morality was everything, Not that I think it was great or really
> > > > approve of it,,, it what I now see is it shifting to preachers out
> > > > screaming "Have you accepted jesus christ as your personal savior"
> > leaving
> > > > a total vacancy in the importance of morality.
>
> > > > As I watch the news the focus is on the markets.. and the market people
> > > > trying to control the world.. that gets into my opinion which is of
> > little
> > > > value..I do think though that a direction of increasing morality..
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Perhaps... especially for you...
> > > > > the solution would be more effectively and compellingly projected on
> > > > > images of beauty. All the science in the world cannot match its power
> > > > > to move us.
>
> > > > > Why ? Better, How ?
> > > > > By filling us with feeling, void of thought, and making us come
> > alive.
>
> > > > > On Dec 6, 3:12 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Camels make horrendous noise too rigsy. The dried dung was once
> > used
> > > > > > to bake bread on. We can no doubt any grand narrative but don't
> > seem
> > > > > > much good at using this to create new ones. It's all
> > deconstruction
> > > > > > when we need to be ab;e to deconstruct and rebuild.
>
> > > > > > On Dec 5, 11:36 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I read the "needle" was a tight gate in the walls around ancient
> > > > > > > Jerusalem and traders loaded with booty and goods had difficulty
> > > > > > > squeezing through. I did ride a camel in Egypt and they are
> > smelly
> > > > > > > beyond belief.
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 5, 3:08 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > LOL oddly it is possible to get a camel through the eye of a
> > > > > needle of a
> > > > > > > > needle.. it is possible but you have to get a camel to walk
> > on its
> > > > > knees..
> > > > > > > > but there is a price to pay for that..
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You must have discovered how muh harder it gets to thread
> > the eye
> > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > needle as the simplicity of youth fades Allan!
>
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > II just received from a friend of mine and Tim always
> > makes me
> > > > > think..
> > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > really suddenly dawned on me (I can be all wet) is the
> > suppose
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > religion
> > > > > > > > > > is not really for salvation and the nest life but in
> > reality is
> > > > > to teach
> > > > > > > > > > morality.
>
> > > > > > > > > > It seems that the churches to day give a quick brush over
> > > > > morality and
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > get to the work of salvation.. and the next life.. I am
> > laughing
> > > > > to my
> > > > > > > > > self
> > > > > > > > > > because if you lose morality you lose salvation. The
> > greatest
> > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > this day are the lose of morality and the teaching of
> > > > > morality,, It
> > > > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > > the teaching of morality is for the other guy but the
> > rules of
> > > > > morality
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > not apply to me.
>
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