Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Complex argument

Ah James that is an excellent sign,, The passing of time is something I do not understand,, I see the clocks doing the tick tic  thing ...  that does not mean I understand time so I do not know how I can help with the weight concept the clocks that measure it just keep going tic tic tic. That alone could drive one nuts if you listened to it all the time and let it rule your life, but what the heck do I know about it. hmmm

Then again there is little I do understand..

Allan

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:47 AM, James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:

I have it on a plaque somewhere around here that reads, "be the change
you wish to see in the world." It was a gift from someone who
sometimes understands me more than I do, perhaps due to compassion.
Thanks Allan, funny how some times it seems like time is a weight, it
has always been like that for me.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know there are a lot of problems in the world,, it seems to me the only
> way one can change it is become the person you want the world to be like, I
> know I fail miserabley some times but that is not an excuse..
> Allan
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:15 AM, James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fair. The hazy relationship between rhetoric and motives seem clearest
>> to the studious observer of behavior, the speaker or listener can be
>> assumed compromised- thus, the colorful process of discussion. :)) The
>> universality of the warning is appealing, be vigilant of the speaker,
>> listener, and bystander regardless of which position you are standing!
>> It applies to all at all times I think.
>>
>> The power reference is spot on, not toward Allan specifically but
>> tying into the culture of greed being the standard. In game theory it
>> is stated two actors knowing the rules and game can mutually act in
>> their own self interest against the supposed rules (fairness/truth) by
>> both lying and NOT naively accepting the rules as presented by a
>> common opponent, I'm sure experienced interrogators have solutions for
>> that but I think it reduces the environmental attitudes well. In
>> natural selection the game is get what (and when) get can, you align
>> with cutthroats because they are survivors, if you want to survive,
>> until they get canned, sued, or jailed for their sociopathic
>> behaviors. As excess negative entropy begins to dry up the system
>> falls apart due to excessive exploitation of basic inputs and the
>> situation is exacerbated by highly successful "survivors" exploiting
>> the failing system the same as when the gravy train was rolling,
>> except now more predatory practices are required. In businesses I
>> think bad management gets noted by the legal dept and the board cleans
>> house starting with someone upper-management (at least that's what I
>> hear), mother nature does it by decimating the population.
>>
>> Where I think Neil is heading is that the game is rigged (caustic
>> ecology) by too many bad players on too many levels. The only option
>> seems to be a rebuild from the ground up and that includes
>> reassessment of the system, to relieve the weight of oligarchy and
>> parasitic actors while rejuvinating everything else that didn't fail.
>> But getting back to waste... your average American would go nuts at
>> just a vague estimate on that reality, but it does set a goal which we
>> could reach by major technological, architectural and sociological
>> progress.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 1:22 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's the extent to which what you say is hidden in a pretence of
>> >> rational argument Allan, even from the speaker in some cases.
>> >
>> >
>> > You English chaps are sooooo polite.
>> >
>> > dj