On Jan 2, 3:02 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our spirit acts more upon the combinations: family and history, political
> and events, love and current. Despite all the differences, I assume this to
> be a conceivable pattern for you too.
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> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > political history, current events, love of family, are all a
> > reflection of spirit in action as we express it. Your nephew's
> > imaginary friend may be one of the purest forms. I can only imagine
> > the joy and privilege of witnessing it.
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> > On Jan 1, 1:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So they say, Molly. My 3-year-old nephew made up a fantasy character to
> > be
> > > able to communicate his view with the rest of his family. They find this
> > > amusing and useful.
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> > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > We are myth driven creatures.
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> > > > On Dec 31 2011, 6:59 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I actually didn't know that much about his personal history. We know
> > > > > him only through what may as well be Hollywood biopic. Great leaders
> > > > > seem to need retrospective hagiography. How does this work on us and
> > > > > why doesn't education really challenge any of it?
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> > > > > On Dec 31, 10:08 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > my my, he was born 8 months after they were married,, wonder what
> > > > that
> > > > > > has to say about good old winston
> > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > He was half American- his mother was Jenny Jerome who lived a
> > daring
> > > > > > > life- you can probably Google her. His father was Randolph, I
> > > > believe,
> > > > > > > who married for money like other peers of the period. His gift
> > was
> > > > > > > "blah"- a spurring rhetoric. His histories are not respected by
> > > > > > > history majors as he fudged the facts. Like Napoleon, he has many
> > > > > > > admirers who disregard the terrible realities of their dances
> > with
> > > > > > > history.
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> > > > > > > Jenny, by the way, had two later husbands younger than her son.
> > Her
> > > > > > > death is a warning against high heels- a heel broke- she fell
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > > stairs- the mend was botched- her leg was amputated- blood
> > poisoning-
> > > > > > > death. Amen.
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> > > > > > > On Dec 30, 6:31 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Two came with the house Allan. The one at the back blew down -
> > > > pity
> > > > > > > > as it was a nice mountain ash type of rowan. The one in the
> > front
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > called a street rowan and serves no purpose other than to
> > block out
> > > > > > > > what little sun we get at the front. An odd squirrel or two
> > use
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > > I know it's ours only because the Council wouldn't include it
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > thinned out some street trees last year. I have rather more
> > > > against
> > > > > > > > Churchill than the tree, but would like to replace it with
> > > > something
> > > > > > > > more colourful. Churchill is something of a heroic oak in our
> > > > popular
> > > > > > > > culture, but led the country to bankruptcy in wars that suited
> > the
> > > > > > > > American Empire rather too well for me to believe it was
> > > > accidental.
> > > > > > > > He was hand-in-glove with JP Morgan and they now run our Post
> > > > Office
> > > > > > > > bank accounts!
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> > > > > > > > I feel the proof issues in matters like this are more likely to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > relevance to why we have no democracy free of bankster-finance
> > than
> > > > > > > > speculation that god is proved by the fact the tree is in the
> > > > > > > > quadrangle when we don't look.
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> > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 8:35 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Maybe a better question is why would you need a rowan tree
> > Neil
> > > > > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 8:46 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
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> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Questions like whether the tree is in the quadrangle if no
> > one
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > looking are classroom tricks aimed at getting some thinking
> > > > going.
> > > > > > > > > > Frege had some ideas I've not seen discussed in here. For
> > > > him, ideas
> > > > > > > > > > were not thoughts. Thoughts existed in a third realm. I'm
> > > > shaky on
> > > > > > > > > > phenomenology - largely because a lot of it ends up in a
> > > > complex
> > > > > > > > > > lexicon of terms to describe itself. Heidegger suggested
> > the
> > > > firm
> > > > > > > > > > ground of our lives was a better place to consider
> > thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > > thinking.
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> > > > > > > > > > Ordinary objects like trees are problematic in philosophy -
> > > > they turn
> > > > > > > > > > out to be some structure of atoms and so on. Some have
> > > > suggested we
> > > > > > > > > > should exclude them. In language I can say that 'unheard
> > > > trees have
> > > > > > > > > > been done to death' and most will get the drift, without
> > > > thinking I
> > > > > > > > > > have been out beating unheard trees with my cricket bat.
> > > > Frankly, if
> > > > > > > > > > the unheard tree stuff had an import we'd find illegal
> > logging
> > > > > > > > > > companies telling us about it when their sawmills were full
> > > > and our
> > > > > > > > > > forests empty.
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> > > > > > > > > > More interesting to me is that I can say (truthfully) that
> > > > there is a
> > > > > > > > > > rowan tree in my front garden. Confirming this is
> > relatively
> > > > > > > > > > straightforward. What I think we need to be better able to
> > > > spot as
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > need of argument is stuff like the context of argument that
> > > > allows
> > > > > > > > > > politicians to tell us the same lies over and over again.
> > > > This might
> > > > > > > > > > help is to a better grip on what democracy is as a
> > > > theory-in-action.
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> > > > > > > > > > Let me cast this by saying I believe Winston Churchill was
> > an
> > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > spy and bag man for JP Morgan - against the fact that
> > there is
> > > > a
> > > > > > > rowan
> > > > > > > > > > tree in my front garden. It's easy enough for you to ask
> > for
> > > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > > > > > to establish beyond doubt that the rowan tree is where I
> > say
> > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > (however much we might discuss its atoms or whether it's
> > there
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > none of us is watching it). What we should ask is why the
> > > > Churchill
> > > > > > > > > > thing is so much more difficult (I can't prove this to my
> > own
> > > > > > > > > > satisfaction as a fact - but what would be the grounds)?
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> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted
> > > > text -
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> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > --
> > > > > > (
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
patterns given birth to myth, yes.
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