abstracting people as means to ends. Recent talk of "gray tsunamis"
doesn't inspire much hope for national dialogue, I think how we meet
our challenges says a lot about us.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:36 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The tribe fulfills the human need to be a social creature and find
> meaning in life. That seems a universal pattern- to me. It helps
> explain modern alienation- to me. Well- technological advances us to
> robots and drones, doesn't it? I think that's our dilemma.
>
> On Jan 21, 1:18 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hah, that's a humorous way to see it. I haven't delved into the
>> specifics of the claim but two things stand out to me: that a diet
>> increasingly reliant upon carbohydrates over protein which our brains
>> seem to be heavily reliant upon, and how our brains are used in our
>> cultural environment (not US specific) since the agricultural
>> revolution. The prefrontal cortex and cognitive development I think
>> were the precursors to this, it was just a matter of time but I think
>> the human brain naturally evolved an extremely high intuitive capacity
>> for social relations, and tribal peoples I think implement that
>> capacity to a greater degree. In an animist world (natural to
>> tribal/our ancestors and children) the world is full of these
>> relations, full of life. If we leave the context of modern society we
>> see a world with infinite potential for complex interrelationships,
>> imagine a mind brought into that world with underlying cultural roles
>> that integrate all those sources of experience. This is not something
>> easy for us to grasp I think, and is often dismissed.
>>
>> Not that I'm especially privy to romantic notions like the noble
>> savage, if I am saying anything it is that we've left something behind
>> and I think it haunts us, perhaps there is a developmental capacity
>> that we've skipped when we jumped on board because the two worldviews
>> are so at odds, as they seem mutually antagonistic for coexistence
>> purposes if on the point of resource exploitation alone, though
>> history makes plain what happens to tribal cultures in the path of
>> industry. Sorry to be so cryptic, it seems that we are missing
>> something I can't point to. But it becomes clearer if you run the
>> narrative, our timeline seems terribly skewed, something we should be
>> working to address. Especially now that our technological innovations
>> are reaching such maturity that we will be able to redefine the human
>> condition en masse. Funny, hasn't that always been the promise of
>> innovation-
>>
>> Lost my thoughts somewhere.. I didn't know Shaman was a Russian word, neat.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I hope america gets over its shrinking brain syndrome.. some of the peoples
>> > brain must be the size of a pea right now,,(lol ... Must have been a
>> > great prophet in my youth who came up with the term pea brain -- then
>> > researchers saying it would be several hundred years but that we were headed
>> > that direction ) ah the prophets of doom (see i told you so)
>>
>> > Shaman is a russian term term and not and indian term it seem they
>> > are classified by what and how they serve the tribe.
>>
>> > Yes I agree the US is paying the price for its arrogance (saying that I know
>> > I am talking about myself too).. I hear that liberty for security.. well I
>> > think that the US is too blinded by corporate greed and spin to see the
>> > truth.. and they are being spoon feed little by little losing both their
>> > liberty and security;;
>> > Allan
>>
>> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> We are paying dearly for our arrogance Allan, you know what they about
>> >> those who sacrifice liberty for security. Our scientists are
>> >> explaining the fact that our brains are shrinking with reassuring
>> >> statements on progress and efficiency. Just transpose that with Neil's
>> >> position on those terms and the marching rhythm of our cultural myths
>> >> stops dead. I believe a Lakota shaman called Lame Deer put it more
>> >> poetically. There are many things you won't find written, if you
>> >> consider the purpose of the shaman to the tribe it is no surprise, and
>> >> I believe explaining it as ignorance is kinda ironic. ;-)
>>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Native american beliefs are earth based and a living world the concept
>> >> > of
>> >> > mother earth.. the western based concepts really do not fit any of the
>> >> > developed western ideas and Ideals.
>>
>> >> > Within the beliefs there is great power and energy, I have
>> >> > some experience with friends but am at a loss as to explain it. My own
>> >> > experience most are of both sides I think with only a couple being
>> >> > clearly
>> >> > one sided. Native american beliefs are really not written down , nor
>> >> > are
>> >> > they for sale, so I have been told.
>> >> > Allan
>>
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Hello Allan, I don't know much about native American belief system,
>> >> >> but I think that constructing our own belief system is an open ended
>> >> >> process, however, if we don't have a solid frame of reference, our
>> >> >> minds and passions will take us in so many directions and who's to say
>> >> >> what is wrong or right. For me, monotheism is a rational conclusion
>> >> >> for my search for the true faith, supplemented by the multiple
>> >> >> revelations that humans received throughout history. If I didn't have
>> >> >> a religion that I saw fit to follow, I would have probably been simply
>> >> >> a believer in one omniscient and omnipresent God.
>>
>> >> >> On 1/15/12, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Was reading a concept on native american beliefs..
>>
>> >> >> > it is strange actually it is rereading the material .... There was
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > reference to to beliefs being born to the land. For some reason that
>> >> >> > triggered a lot of thought.. what would happen the native beliefs
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > correct, and western thought is out of line. It seems that religions
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > a whole lot to do with rules and regulations and control of others.
>>
>> >> >> > Oddly it seems that is a western concept. One I have never known
>> >> >> > among
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > native american friends,
>> >> >> > Allan
>>
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > (
>> >> >> > )
>> >> >> > |_D Allan
>>
>> >> >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > (
>> >> > )
>> >> > |_D Allan
>>
>> >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> > --
>> > (
>> > )
>> > |_D Allan
>>
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