wallowing around whether or not such wallowing about is worth while.
On Jan 12, 11:48 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The post you refer to Don - it comes largely from my quarter of the
> academic game. I was sacked by the World Bank for not supporting
> their lies on a tour of eastern Europe just after wall-fall. I'm not
> an economist - though good enough to teach it in universities - the
> whole subject has been up the arse of the worst powerful interests
> since I can remember. Most economists are only lawyers with some
> maths ability. I'm broadly anti-government wherever it forms from -
> the key problem with democracy since the Athens one concerns buying
> votes and populace dumbness. Economics is a total crock as a science.
>
> I don't want to see a load of idle creeps get welfare or support other
> men's kids through payments to serial welfare queens and the like -
> but when the budget for this is dwarfed by the accumulations of a tiny
> rich I'm not inclined to think welfare is the first problem. The rich
> don't work hard or even smart for their money. They have bought
> government. The question for my kind of economics is how to develop
> systems with fairer outcomes without the kind of crude dictatorship
> Obama and his ilk represent. My guess is at least 50% of current work
> is completely wasted effort and the world needs less of it. A big
> problem arises in majority voting and makes me think we need some
> other ideas on democracy. Until we sort something at this level the
> maths of economists is as irrelevant as it would be in convincing me
> not to shoot them given the chance.
>
> Obama should set cops onto the banksters - but in fact is preventing
> this. Romney is on their side and one of them anyway - some
> democratic choice! It's the same here.
>
> On Jan 10, 1:52 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know congress has effectively stolen then money with IOU but and I
> > repeat But IOUs need to be repaid.. The US congress (Both of them ) always
> > but people rant their masters chants... Maybe the IOU's need to be paid
> > for by those that signed for them like taking their assests and pay of
> > both senators and congress people.
>
> > It is not just the federal but state and local.. the bribery of the
> > businesses are abundant
>
> > Until all government and all of its branches are held accountable to all
> > pre bush laws (Totally getting rid of every line and expansion of the home
> > land security act restoring the bill of rights and the constitution.. The
> > US is not going to change..
>
> > I fought for my country,,, and I hate seeing the US wasted by greed and
> > the super corporate citizen,
> > Allan
>
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > And there-in lies the "Great Lie" Allan. Social security is
> > > most definitely NOT anything like a pension plan. It is simply a tax.
> > > Perhaps it was planned to be used as a pension but massive raiding and
> > > silly IOUs from our Congress have made such a mockery. They have promised
> > > too much and the sooner we all(Americans) come to terms with that the
> > > sooner we can start an actual recovery. As far as federal government
> > > pensions, yes, they are far, far too generous. While the private sector
> > > wallows in bankruptcy and over regulation and layoffs the feds all get
> > > raises. That's how it works. Then taxes are raised to pay for the raises.
> > > Why not pay folks what they're worth and let them buy their own insurance,
> > > healthcare and perks? Tax that income fairly across the board and the
> > > wealthy will pay more. Too much shenanigans, too much cronyism. Fairly
> > > makes me sick.
>
> > > You hear about this Archie? I reckon you have and that's what got you
> > > started on this kick in the first place.
>
> > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020343690457714894041066...
>
> > > If you can't read it I'll paste it. Money grubbers block the article from
> > > non-subscribers sometimes. Bastards.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Okay Don speaking of out of control..
> > >> Defense sure out of control and excessive..
> > >> And ..
>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> The loopholes available to super-corps have always bothered me. Farm
> > >>> subsidies overwhelmingly give tax breaks to huge corps. I'd like to even
> > >>> things up. Remove the loopholes and tax fairly across the board. The
> > >>> wealthy will pay more, without doubt. The well off will pay more. In
> > >>> conjunction with that I would hope there would be some much needed reform
> > >>> in our(Americas) out of control entitlements. Social Security, Welfare,
> > >>> Medicare, etc.
>
> > >> Don I hear of out of control entitlements,, well Don SS is and
> > >> entitlement that everyone including the poor pay for,, in the form of
> > >> social security taxes,, it has nothing to do with the budget because it
> > >> does not come out of the General budget.. except
> > >> the Conservative politicians would have you believe differently..... What
> > >> you are saying it is a criminal act to take care of your fellow man.. and
> > >> your fellowman is not entitled to anything...
>
> > >> Let us examine entitlements of exactly the same as SS.. Say State
> > >> employee retirement.. now these generous pensions are all paid for by the
> > >> taxpayer so therefore they are entitlements,, and should be completely
> > >> removed,, or teacher retirement unless it is a totally private school
> > >> or university they are completely funded by the taxpayer therefore a
> > >> entitlement... Even all Federal, state, county city law enforcement and
> > >> fire fighters retirements and pensions should be immediately discontinued .
> > >> because they are a taxpayer funded entitlement that should be completely
> > >> discontinued... I have not even said anything about the defense department
> > >> and it is in the same class....
>
> > >> The worst part of it is,, even any contribution payed by these classes
> > >> of employees are paid for in reality by the taxpayer.. simply because
> > >> though the state is paying their wages and benefits these fund are
> > >> supplied by the taxpayer..
>
> > >> I know it is a pet thing for politicians to scream entitlement and point
> > >> their finger at Social programs, which is not paid for by taxpayers but by
> > >> every working man woman and child with their wages,, my first job was
> > >> setting tins at a bowling alley and I receive 11 cents per line and was
> > >> paid 10 cents and one cent went in for my social security fund.. it was
> > >> not a tax.. How do I know well 11 or 12 years ago I stumbled across my
> > >> old pay stubs
>
> > >> If we want to remove entitlements let us begin with those of the
> > >> politicians (all levels) A Senator worth over 250 billion dollars does
> > >> not need any entitlements what so ever.. plus there is need a in
> > >> depth analyses. as where the money came from.
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> PS I am not for cutting retirement or medical for government employees
> > >> except maybe for politicians..
>
> > >> --
> > >> (
> > >> )
> > >> |_D Allan
>
> > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
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