in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
> religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
> them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
> he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
> elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
> becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
> Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
> should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
> life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
> Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
> works of art.
>
> On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I totally agree with you Molly
>> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
>> > just prefer it there.
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>> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your choice and
>> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
>> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
>> > > Allan
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>> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support his
>> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in order to,
>> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe that
>> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are not.
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>> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in his
>> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention to
>> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and there is
>> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
>> > > > required elements are found.
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>> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may be
>> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
>> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place. Also,
>> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
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>> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
>> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality. Even
>> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
>> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
>> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have been
>> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
>> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
>> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a myth.
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>> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us in
>> > > > order to give it legitimacy. After all, our ideas of virtuous
>> > > > behaviour, responsibility and justice are founded on the idea of free
>> > > > will; that we are responsible for our actions and must accept our
>> > > > responsibilities. Yet, there is no doubt that free will defies the
>> > > > tenets embodied in modern physics, the idea of cause and effect. It
>> > > > seems to be extremely difficult for us to accept that some things just
>> > > > are.
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>> > > > I am interested in this dilemma because if we eventually discover, if
>> > > > we have not already, that determinism is beyond dispute how should we
>> > > > react? How could we possibly recreate our society to live with such a
>> > > > 'truth'?
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>> > > --
>> > > (
>> > > )
>> > > |_D Allan
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>> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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