Re: Mind's Eye Re: Project 2012

There's a possible change in emphasis that might be very practical.
The Japanese have earlier experience with the kind of financial
collapse going on now. They have taken a different tack to
"economics". You can get the gist at
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/01/what-if-we-worry-about-employment-rather-than-growth.html
- where there is a short video. I spent two short periods in Japan
(plot of save British shipbuilding) and they do a lot I don't like -
but they have an attitude towards employment (not always) we should
consider. Going for full employment rather turns economics on its
head.

On Jan 4, 8:14 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> that is a possibility
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>  I would like to see al major changes having to be voted on by the people
>  requiring a  majority vote where at least 60% of the voter voting..  or it
> can not pass.
> Government salaries based off minimum wage.
> Allan
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> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:32 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think we should make a distinction between law-making and the
> > executive.  We should do the law as a polis and have it administrated
> > by representatives we vote in.
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> > On Jan 3, 11:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > However bad we are at it I think this is the nettle we must grasp.  I
> > > tend to like the idea of as little government as possible - the
> > > problem soon makes that a very flat statement.
> > > > On Jan 2, 10:52 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Okay Cumbersome tax code that one is an easy one
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> > > > Taxes on gross income
> > > > Taxes                                  owed
> > > > $0 --  $10,000.                   $0.
> > > > $10,000.01 -- $25,000.         10% of gross income
> > > > $25,000.01  -- $50,000.         15%  "         ""
> > > > $50,000.01  -- $100.000          20%  "         "
> > > > $100.000.01 -- $250,000          30%  "          "
> > > > $250,000.  ----- Over $250,000.    50%      gross income
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> > > > Private Corporate taxes  ---------- 50%   gross income
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> > > > any income transferred between corporations is taxed at a 50% rate
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> > > > corporations pay  35% on gross income  are wages under $250,000.
> > > > and heath insurance,, but it must be the same insurance provided to
> > > > all employees
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> > > > a .1% tax on each stock market transaction
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> > > > All perks and benefits including every thing except health insurance.
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> > > > Perks include  meals..  ectra ectra
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> > > > 35% tax on all funds transferred over $2.000.  per day that leave the
> > > > country
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> > > > Banks must repay all bail out money at the rate of 1.5 % monthly until
> > > > repaid.
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> > > > Don that would be a fair tax on every one and supply the government
> >  ---
> > > > and the tax code can not exceed 2 pages in length.
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> > > > That would be a great tax code in my opinion..
> > > > is that a good start in revising it..
> > > > Allan
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> > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > >> so Don what needs to be whittled away??
> > > > >> Allan
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> > > > >> How about we start with the cumbersome tax code and then slide into
> > > > > immigration to streamline citizenship(for good citizens) and then
> > pounce on
> > > > > criminal law. There's a whole host of things that could be
> > decriminalized
> > > > > but we could stiffen the punishments for bad behavior based on the
> > ABUSE of
> > > > > controlled substances. Kinda like a hate crime for druggies. That
> > should
> > > > > get the ball rolling.
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> > > > > dj
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> > > > >> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > >>> I think John Locke had it about right in his *Two Treatises on
> > > > >>> Government. *
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> > > > >>> -Labor is the origin and justification for property. Contract or
> > consent
> > > > >>> is the basis for government and fixes its limits. Behind both
> > doctrines is
> > > > >>> personal freedom. The state of nature knows no law, but men are
> > subject to
> > > > >>> moral law.
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> > > > >>> There are too many fingers in the pie. Too many power brokers, too
> > many
> > > > >>> laws and not enough freedom. Rather then try to wreck what we have
> > to
> > > > >>> "rebuild" I'd rather whittle away at what we DO have that is silly
> > or
> > > > >>> outdated and in some cases smothering. So saith I.
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> > > > >>> dj
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> > > > >>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > >>>> This is going to sound crazy  I know we all see the problems..
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> > > > >>>> I would like to know just how we would physically set up
> > institutions
> > > > >>>> like government,,
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> > > > >>>> Maybe any major laws or constitutional changes must be brought
> > before
> > > > >>>> the people in  a vote.
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> > > > >>>> limit the money corporations or  individuals can invest in a
> > > > >>>> political campaign  complete transparency in government, police
> > and
> > > > >>>> military funding
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> > > > >>>> Limit the amount salaries and perks of banking and stock
> > > > >>>> market officials and employees
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> > > > >>>> complete transparency in all financial transactions
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> > > > >>>> I do not know  just thinking
> > > > >>>> complaining is just complaining  , I believe realistic targets
> > need to
> > > > >>>> be set so they can be achieved
> > > > >>>> Allan
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> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>>  (
> > > > >>>>   )
> > > > >>>> |_D Allan
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> > > > >>>>  Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > >> --
> > > > >>  (
> > > > >>   )
> > > > >> |_D Allan
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> > > > >>  Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > --
> > > >  (
> > > >   )
> > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> --
>  (
>   )
> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

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