to work as though there is some purpose but can broadly cope with the
parochialism of it all with something of a laugh at 'mice and men'.
Part of the trick is to do with recognising statements like 'the
freedom of the individual' are structured under wider practice like
secular democracy and playing the hand you get.
I spent some time years ago doing evaluation research (usually into
management development). It's generally useless stuff any scientist
would junk pretty quickly - whatever one focuses on soon loses its
meaning in wider society and tends to have been defined itself in our
habits and Idols. If education works at all it has to be defined in
terms of what we are, and general society and its junk are very
depressing. We have clearly not produced a widely rational Demos!
Humour is a bit of a way in to some of this, yet is also a means to
ignore it and reinforce xenophobia.
There should be insecurity in thinking - for many of the great social
ideas have been utterly flawed. The question is less to do with
incredulity towards the grand-narratives (the current worst obviously
being unbridled wealth creation) and more with recognising what we
have become and how this needs to change without promises of
salvation. I find this hard enough to bear to need a few 'larfs'!
On Feb 3, 12:08 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Out of the foggy memory- yes, I think Aristotle's treatment of comedy
> was lost...might have burned in the fire at the Alexandrian library
> (?)- heaven only knows what was lost in that sad event- the cure for
> the common cold?//The Papacy set a bad example but doesn't democracy/
> free enterprise do the same?// You don't seem insecure to me.
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> On Feb 2, 7:49 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > "Four Lions" is a brilliant piece mocking Islamic terrorism from all
> > sides. I rather like teasing humour and farce. I might almost be
> > your mocking friend - I'm insecure enough at times! Umbero Eco (Name
> > of the Rose) had the very existence of an Aristotle text on humour as
> > a threat to the Church. Our current religion is in need to mockery.
> > A system that encourages a vastly wealthy class hardly sounds like a
> > starting point for reasonable equality of opportunity! Etc.
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> > On Feb 2, 12:11 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Satire is meant to bite- so it's not truly comedy, i.e. scorn versus
> > > merriement. Yes- I heard ethnic, racial, sexist jokes growing up but
> > > they were not mean-spirited then political correctness pounced though
> > > now the style in political and social humor is mockery>distain/
> > > contempt. I do like slapstick- another great was Sid Ceasar- also Mel
> > > Brooks maybe Jewish humor derives from their tragic history, in part.
> > > As for Kierkegaard, I might have smiled if I could wade through his
> > > style- maybe I was not fair with K. One friend still reminds me of
> > > doing the right thing and is grateful that when a mutual "friend"
> > > thought the behavior of the "ex" in a messy divorce was hysterically
> > > funny I said this is her life and it is not funny at all- there is a
> > > lot of cruelty found in the "nicest" places sometimes. Another ex-
> > > friend is a great mocker- takes on accents and puts on a little show
> > > to illustrate her superiority over others and I don't doubt I am
> > > another on her list. But these type are just cruel and insecure.
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> > > On Feb 1, 8:42 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > My child hood was littered with jokes. How do you keep an Irishman
> > > > busy all day - put him in a barrel and tell him to micturate in the
> > > > corner. The Germans bombed our chip shop and had no sense of humour.
> > > > In France, the Belgians are the butt or "Irish" jokes; elsewhere the
> > > > Poles. Jokes often rely on 'taking the Micky' - ridiculing someone
> > > > else. In Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen jokes it was common for
> > > > the English and Scots to be the suckers to a sharp and cunning
> > > > Irishman. Even the holocaust has been subject to joking - often by
> > > > the victims.
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> > > > I have taught Kierkegaard as an example of dark, lengthy Danish humour
> > > > (and can point to books on same). There is an affinity in his work
> > > > with the Monty Python poverty joke in which each in turn recalls a
> > > > childhoods in greater poverty than the last. Eventually, just as one
> > > > thinks the guy claiming to have lived in a shoebox on the central
> > > > reservation of the M6 has 'won' the game another bloke says,
> > > > "Shoebox? You had a shoebox. Luxury!" Kierkegaard does this with
> > > > Christianity.
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> > > > My own humour is dark, but it's rare I mean anyone harm. I used to
> > > > think that satire offered some hope of change, but in recent years
> > > > have come to see it as merely part of the problems we have. It is of
> > > > the Establishment and feigns resistance.
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> > > > I think humour might be part of a way out of chronic illusion; but it
> > > > is often merely cruel and parochial.- Hide quoted text -
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