or funny. I like the absurd, the little twist of view that does not
demean, but presents the unexpected in a way that catches us off-guard
and allows us to witness our individuality (that we often mistake for
a worldview)
On Feb 4, 9:22 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am increasingly concerned by those who seem to expect moral
> behaviour in drunken revelry!
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> On Feb 4, 2:02 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > There are also "insecurities" when giving definitions! Satire is
> > definitely within the genre of comedy. I was trying to stress the
> > merry side of humor- funny, as ancient comedy derived from phallus
> > rites (Dionysus) and related drunken revels. My first real term paper
> > was on "Lysistrata" (Aristophanes) but I was only 17 so probably
> > missed most of the gags to the relief of the nun! :-) Maybe it's life
> > that is cruel at times- we're all in a "nice mess".
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> > On Feb 3, 11:29 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Perhaps only in the way we all have insecurities rigsy - I find I want
> > > to work as though there is some purpose but can broadly cope with the
> > > parochialism of it all with something of a laugh at 'mice and men'.
> > > Part of the trick is to do with recognising statements like 'the
> > > freedom of the individual' are structured under wider practice like
> > > secular democracy and playing the hand you get.
> > > I spent some time years ago doing evaluation research (usually into
> > > management development). It's generally useless stuff any scientist
> > > would junk pretty quickly - whatever one focuses on soon loses its
> > > meaning in wider society and tends to have been defined itself in our
> > > habits and Idols. If education works at all it has to be defined in
> > > terms of what we are, and general society and its junk are very
> > > depressing. We have clearly not produced a widely rational Demos!
> > > Humour is a bit of a way in to some of this, yet is also a means to
> > > ignore it and reinforce xenophobia.
> > > There should be insecurity in thinking - for many of the great social
> > > ideas have been utterly flawed. The question is less to do with
> > > incredulity towards the grand-narratives (the current worst obviously
> > > being unbridled wealth creation) and more with recognising what we
> > > have become and how this needs to change without promises of
> > > salvation. I find this hard enough to bear to need a few 'larfs'!
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> > > On Feb 3, 12:08 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > Out of the foggy memory- yes, I think Aristotle's treatment of comedy
> > > > was lost...might have burned in the fire at the Alexandrian library
> > > > (?)- heaven only knows what was lost in that sad event- the cure for
> > > > the common cold?//The Papacy set a bad example but doesn't democracy/
> > > > free enterprise do the same?// You don't seem insecure to me.
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> > > > On Feb 2, 7:49 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > "Four Lions" is a brilliant piece mocking Islamic terrorism from all
> > > > > sides. I rather like teasing humour and farce. I might almost be
> > > > > your mocking friend - I'm insecure enough at times! Umbero Eco (Name
> > > > > of the Rose) had the very existence of an Aristotle text on humour as
> > > > > a threat to the Church. Our current religion is in need to mockery.
> > > > > A system that encourages a vastly wealthy class hardly sounds like a
> > > > > starting point for reasonable equality of opportunity! Etc.
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> > > > > On Feb 2, 12:11 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Satire is meant to bite- so it's not truly comedy, i.e. scorn versus
> > > > > > merriement. Yes- I heard ethnic, racial, sexist jokes growing up but
> > > > > > they were not mean-spirited then political correctness pounced though
> > > > > > now the style in political and social humor is mockery>distain/
> > > > > > contempt. I do like slapstick- another great was Sid Ceasar- also Mel
> > > > > > Brooks maybe Jewish humor derives from their tragic history, in part.
> > > > > > As for Kierkegaard, I might have smiled if I could wade through his
> > > > > > style- maybe I was not fair with K. One friend still reminds me of
> > > > > > doing the right thing and is grateful that when a mutual "friend"
> > > > > > thought the behavior of the "ex" in a messy divorce was hysterically
> > > > > > funny I said this is her life and it is not funny at all- there is a
> > > > > > lot of cruelty found in the "nicest" places sometimes. Another ex-
> > > > > > friend is a great mocker- takes on accents and puts on a little show
> > > > > > to illustrate her superiority over others and I don't doubt I am
> > > > > > another on her list. But these type are just cruel and insecure.
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> > > > > > On Feb 1, 8:42 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > My child hood was littered with jokes. How do you keep an Irishman
> > > > > > > busy all day - put him in a barrel and tell him to micturate in the
> > > > > > > corner. The Germans bombed our chip shop and had no sense of humour.
> > > > > > > In France, the Belgians are the butt or "Irish" jokes; elsewhere the
> > > > > > > Poles. Jokes often rely on 'taking the Micky' - ridiculing someone
> > > > > > > else. In Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen jokes it was common for
> > > > > > > the English and Scots to be the suckers to a sharp and cunning
> > > > > > > Irishman. Even the holocaust has been subject to joking - often by
> > > > > > > the victims.
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> > > > > > > I have taught Kierkegaard as an example of dark, lengthy Danish humour
> > > > > > > (and can point to books on same). There is an affinity in his work
> > > > > > > with the Monty Python poverty joke in which each in turn recalls a
> > > > > > > childhoods in greater poverty than the last. Eventually, just as one
> > > > > > > thinks the guy claiming to have lived in a shoebox on the central
> > > > > > > reservation of the M6 has 'won' the game another bloke says,
> > > > > > > "Shoebox? You had a shoebox. Luxury!" Kierkegaard does this with
> > > > > > > Christianity.
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> > > > > > > My own humour is dark, but it's rare I mean anyone harm. I used to
> > > > > > > think that satire offered some hope of change, but in recent years
> > > > > > > have come to see it as merely part of the problems we have. It is of
> > > > > > > the Establishment and feigns resistance.
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