Hi all,
Sorry for not jumping in more often. Too much going on. But I think the new discoveries I've made shed a lot of light on all of these points. So, I suggest taking a look at my website: http://a3society.org and follow up with the books if you read things you like.
In short, as Don says, western society has failed to face up to human nature. Try reading my discussion at http://www.a3society.org/7%20Deadly%20Sins And, please note, the term 7 deadly sins was NOT originally a religious phrase. It was an ancient observation about human nature. Second, the discussions under the Language tab describe how the human process of learning language explain the circus we see in political campaigns. The Democracy and Government tabs explain why governments are falling apart, and the pages on Plural Democracy and fixing democracy provide solutions.
Unfortunately, the point Arcytas makes below about human not being able to solve problems is so true. And the main culprits are the Single Sentence Logic problem and the Multiple Religions Problem. Both are discussed on the Language tab.
Be well,
Nanook
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- Science and the modern economic plight [7 Updates]
- Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> Feb 09 11:31PM -0600
Ah arch, you are wallowing in frustration yet again. Kick that black dog in
the nads. The metaphorical one and not the happy, frolicking drooling
one. That one you can scratch behind the ears. One day you must come to
terms with the simple fact that human beings are irrational and selfish by
nature. I hope I get a chance to read that article in the Economist but
since I'm well aware of our Statist direction here in the USA it probably
won't hold much news for me. (plus I'm lazy and probably inept as well)
What makes the current situation easier for me to bear is I'm mostly
concerned with only "local" issues. Very local most important and then
branching out in importance so that my level of compassion for those in
Darfur or Ethiopia and even Syria is near non-existant. I can't be
bothered. I'm more worried about improving my lot and believe you me I'm
getting a bit tired of hearing all about the troubles around the world on
NPR with not NEAR enough attention being payed to our troubles at home. All
that said I'm fully aware things are better here in America and even better
here locally in the Houston area then they are most other places. Our poor
are rich compared to other places. My knowledge of Britain is limited but I
would assume it is much the same there. If you're poor and avoid the drugs
you can live a pretty decent life and never have to work in our country. I
don't see that as possible if we didn't grease the skids for the rich to
make more money. The trick is too give the new kids a chance to become rich
as well. As you have noted this is becoming less likely due to Statism. The
super wealthy are bribing their way to permanent dominance. They do this by
influencing regulation. Makes me crazy every time some new regulation
that's suposed to "protect the consumer" does nothing of the sort. Lies and
more lies. Still looking out for number One here.
I do wish everyone else well however. Especially you and everyone else on
this forum. Cheers all.
dj
-The idea of taking on the burdens of the whole world scare me. We do
enough, too much really, already. I don't want a world government and
listening to Obama and Mrs. Clinton and pickyourUNdelegate that's what they
all want and actively pursue. Speaking of Hillary has anyone else noticed
she's looking rather.....medicated lately? Sleeping with Prince Valium
perhaps? Oxycotin maybe. Ah well, we all get older and I noticed I look
pretty shitty myself lately and all I abuse is caffeine.
- Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> Feb 10 09:49AM +0100
Yes on you are right ,, the question is why are not
these bribers being prosecuted.
oh yes I for got almost all of congress is involved. including the present
Republican Candidate. They have made him one of them and is solidly in
their pocket..
Allan
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- Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> Feb 10 09:53AM +0100
Neil I think it is important bring what the problems are in simple clear
statements instead of long and non rememberable statements.
What I do not understand in his statement is : Knowledge with out Concience.
Allan
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- archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> Feb 10 05:25AM -0800
The lesson from science is that bullshit can be deconstructed to find
out what we might really base argument on. In economics this leaves
us with more or less nothing to say and people can't see that as a
benefit. Science is now showing that most people are so useless at
problem solving they can't do stuff orang-outangs can. With this kind
of 'ability' its perhaps not surprising we vote for GOP and the rest!
- rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> Feb 10 07:11AM -0800
It takes hard work to be/stay wealthy.
Define pleasure- individual or cultural.
Education builds character supposedly.
Define business versus huckterism.
Science is indifferent- can be good or evil.
What religion?
Politics has become a wasteful, dishonest game.
Gandhi reintroduced home weaving, plus non-payment of taxes, general
strikes, non-violent demonstrations (satyagraha) and there was some
improvement- maybe strengthened by Indian participation in WWII for
the Brits...but was killed by a Hindu so the nation was not unified-
plus think of the slaughter in the partition- India and Pakistan-
which still is a thorny problem. The entire Middle East and North
Africa are a mess and very dangerous. The Green Zone may not last in
Iraq, for instance. Really- very stupid American policy since the Gulf
War or back to the 1840's for the Brits in Afghanistan (a total
wasteland). Good reads are The Blue Nile and The White Nile by Alan
Moorehead- or Something of Value by Robert Ruark (?). Anyway, I don
think the internet is going to solve humanity's problems- there is too
much smoldering resentment. What's our contribution? Weapon systems or
idiotic merchandise? Plus the displaced will flee to Europe and cause
more economic pressure, etc. I wonder if our goal is to destabilize
Russia and China?
I am cooking Greek today- moussaka. A humble tribute.
- archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> Feb 10 10:32AM -0800
Britain actually bombed Kabul as late as 1921 and prevented a secular
king who wanted to use the Turkish model to stabilise and modernise in
1930. Science would seek to stabilise the population and provide a
war free environment for all. But most people won't make the effort
to understand. Gandhi ended up in some weird rationalisations of
sleeping with children to save the world through denial.
- Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> Feb 10 07:53PM +0100
Don't go blaming the borders of Pakistan and India on Gandhi. that honor
belongs solely on the shoulders of a Brit,, I see nothing wrong with home
weaving It helps the poor earn a living.. I have lost a lot of money
mainly to import problems.. so I could not receive my merchandise.. these
items I ordered were hand made in homes.. which people made about $1 US a
day making,, filling my orders,, yes I paid in advance so I was able to
make sure they could feed their families.. because the product could not
make it through customs. I am foolish I ate the financial loss. better me
than the poor.
indecently on simple interest of which is offered today.. I would be making
some where between four and five times that I receive in retirement.. would
you care to show where your money came from?? and how you worked hard to
make it??? and how you have to work hard to retain it?
Yes a large contribution of the western and eastern countries to the world
is weapons so they can make even more money from them and increase
poverty,, a great statement for advanced society isn't it..
Allan
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