ideal and divine this or that if they are not simply ours, I mean
sourced/found within, the most we could hope for is to get drugged in
the play of emulation. So lets wax on, spit polish our brilliant ego
because that shiny car makes up for the void that is our existence.
I am thinking when we are ready to say to hell with the world that
promises free delivery with purchase of meaning and happiness should
be about the right time for us to take seriously what work is required
to create it. Our world thrives on human waste, people as a means to
an end of various systems (Soylent Green). Some say there was and
always will be a majority of emulators striving to reconcile ignorance
when faced with the novel or excellent, if you read the cult tripe it
is all so lofty but direct speech has always conveyed someone just
doing their own thing despite convention or the status quo. Just being
real, imagine that a novel innovation! The void mentioned is left I
guess by removing the real, and replaced by taking part in everything
as creative beings seeking conduits for our will to power. There is no
shortage of neglect, hunger, pain or misery in the world- what meaning
would be greater than our common destiny toward excellence as a
species? (dangerous words, I know) I think you could apply the libido
to this Neil, with the primitive mind just use guidance and
redirection, you get limitless output. But to choose the ends of that
output INTENTIONALLY, that is real Gold, transubstantiation of
'biblical' proportions.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> And the temptation is to give up to some form of bliss or other
> potential deception. Much of what is supposed to satisfy us as
> purpose in life turns out not very fulfilling - marriage, family and
> so on have limitations; we are alienated from work.
>
> On Feb 18, 9:08 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And in the sense above I'm always struck that any being involved in
>> the design of us in nature does not have to take on omniscience This
>> and the Dawkins' stop on why questions seem cop-outs to me.
>>
>> On Feb 18, 8:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't. We can
>> > trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than
>> > (possibly) an unfolding design. We have little clue on purpose other
>> > than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving
>> > omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and
>> > salamanders hidden in hats. Gods figure large but we don't meet any
>> > in demonstration. What speculation on purpose is possible on this?
>> > One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here'
>> > without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it.
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends on how
>> > > you examine them.
>> > > Allan
>>
>> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a
>> > > > stretch.
>>
>> > > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the ultimate
>> > > > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who
>> > > > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really
>> > > > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many
>> > > > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to
>> > > > > embrace it.
>>
>> > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to
>> > > > wanting
>> > > > > > to make the world a better place. However
>>
>> > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to
>> > > > live an
>> > > > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of
>>
>> > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all powerful
>> > > > etc.
>> > > > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing
>>
>> > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental
>> > > > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over one's
>>
>> > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus the
>> > > > fact
>> > > > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice
>>
>> > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is
>> > > > constructive, or
>> > > > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything is
>>
>> > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much.
>>
>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > From: Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
>> > > > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>>
>> > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of
>> > > > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and inner
>> > > > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the purpose of
>> > > > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully
>> > > > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities
>> > > > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence can
>> > > > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world
>> > > > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect both
>> > > > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant
>> > > > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and the
>> > > > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between marveling
>> > > > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie much
>> > > > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have
>> > > > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence as a
>> > > > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding God
>> > > > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I place
>> > > > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life,
>> > > > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is
>> > > > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what is
>> > > > > > good about it.
>>
>> > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my
>> > > > conclusion as
>> > > > > >> to
>> > > > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life:
>>
>> > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of
>> > > > problems
>> > > > > >> ranging from practical issues such as
>>
>> > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as why am
>> > > > I
>> > > > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something
>>
>> > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth-
>>
>> > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and it
>> > > > gives
>> > > > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows
>>
>> > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert problem
>> > > > > >> solver.
>>
>> > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science (particularly
>> > > > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse (particularly
>>
>> > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); continuing
>> > > > to
>> > > > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful
>>
>> > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical
>> > > > magical
>> > > > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams
>>
>> > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the idiosyncratic
>> > > > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian
>>
>> > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists
>> > > > especially
>> > > > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of
>>
>> > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self and
>> > > > how
>> > > > > >> it
>> > > > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg:
>>
>> > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to
>> > > > > >> emotional
>> > > > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the
>>
>> > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety,
>> > > > > >> depression,
>> > > > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on
>>
>> > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the
>> > > > > >> concluding
>> > > > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic:
>>
>> > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it traumatic
>> > > > she
>> > > > > >> sums
>> > > > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic
>>
>> > > > > >> if you can.
>>
>> > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com
>>
>> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > >> From: pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
>> > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm
>> > > > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>>
>> > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?....
>>
>> > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > >> I understood that Erica meant it was our cognitive abilities which had
>> > > > > >> made
>> > > > > >> us aware of better streamlining ourselves.
>>
>> > > > > >> I hope this opens up for a more mortal and less moral interpretation,
>> > > > yes.
>>
>> > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM, pol.science kid <
>> > > > r.freeb...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > >> yes... thats such an interesting thing... happiness is a choice....
>> > > > but
>> > > > > >> we
>> > > > > >> dont quite know about it do we.. nor do mot of us care....
>> > > > > >> sometimes i hate happiness ... but thats really not possible is it...
>> > > > it
>> > > > > >> only exposes the essentially morbid mind...
>>
>> > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Erica Moreau <ericamor...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > >> I thought happiness was the purpose [not that people can recognize
>> > > > > >> that happiness is not a feeling, but rather a choice...]
>>
>> > > > > >> On Feb 5, 10:55 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> Life has no purpose except evolution ; a person has to search his own
>> > > > > >>> purpose in life and live for it. Some live for the attainment of
>> > > > wealth
>> > > > > >>> and
>> > > > > >>> fame , some for the freedom of their country , removal of corruption
>> > > > ,
>> > > > > >>> some
>> > > > > >>> for the attainment of wisdom and some for the happiness of their
>> > > > > >>> children.
>> > > > > >>> You have to set your own priorities.
>>
>> > > > > >> --
>> > > > > >> EverComing
>>
>> > > > > >> --
>> > > > > >> EverComing- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > --
>> > > (
>> > > )
>> > > |_D Allan
>>
>> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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