Define pleasure- individual or cultural.
Education builds character supposedly.
Define business versus huckterism.
Science is indifferent- can be good or evil.
What religion?
Politics has become a wasteful, dishonest game.
Gandhi reintroduced home weaving, plus non-payment of taxes, general
strikes, non-violent demonstrations (satyagraha) and there was some
improvement- maybe strengthened by Indian participation in WWII for
the Brits...but was killed by a Hindu so the nation was not unified-
plus think of the slaughter in the partition- India and Pakistan-
which still is a thorny problem. The entire Middle East and North
Africa are a mess and very dangerous. The Green Zone may not last in
Iraq, for instance. Really- very stupid American policy since the Gulf
War or back to the 1840's for the Brits in Afghanistan (a total
wasteland). Good reads are The Blue Nile and The White Nile by Alan
Moorehead- or Something of Value by Robert Ruark (?). Anyway, I don
think the internet is going to solve humanity's problems- there is too
much smoldering resentment. What's our contribution? Weapon systems or
idiotic merchandise? Plus the displaced will flee to Europe and cause
more economic pressure, etc. I wonder if our goal is to destabilize
Russia and China?
I am cooking Greek today- moussaka. A humble tribute.
On Feb 8, 12:42 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ghandis 7 Dangers to Human Virtue
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> 1: Wealth without Work
> 2: Pleasure without Conscience
> 3: Knowledge without Character
> 4:Business without Ethics
> 5:Science without Humanity
> 6: Religion without Sacrifice
> 7: Politics without Principal
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> Allan
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> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What intrigued me when I took science seriously was the way I had to
> > learn what others were finding, and that. at least after school and
> > university, I could check on what was going on and marvel in the
> > complexity and shared language. It was hard work I can't sustain
> > now. Some take science as a clerical method and sometimes, as Vam
> > points out, this is true. I take the method as one of
> > demystification, something of an anarchist view. The rest of our
> > lives are shrouded in mystification. The current England football
> > manager has 'earned' over £24 million in the last few years and most
> > of us seem to think this is OK (and all the bwanking rest), apparently
> > with no clue on of how this is paid for and who really does the
> > paying. The heir apparent is Harry Rednap, who admitted whilst on
> > trial for tax evasion not done through an offshore bank, that he can't
> > read, write or use a computer.
> > Human beings have been 'happy' with all kinds of madness, from the
> > divine rights of kings to lives dedicated to stone carvings that
> > required the destruction of their ecosystems (Easter Island). Most in
> > the West are so stupid they imagine a world of dynamic individualistic
> > capitalism when, in fact we are now dominated by State enterprise (see
> > the Economist at
> >http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/sponsorships/MM150/201...
> > ). The majority of our populations can't do science (school exams are
> > facile yet most still can't do them and choose not to).
>
> > This problem of a largely ineducable population is crucial in our
> > democracies. I don't see any solution in 'philosopher kings' or
> > 'Guardians'. The essence of the problem is that argument is no good
> > because most can't hack it. It entails personal admission of
> > inferiority that individualism can't allow because it can't give up on
> > identity or realise this identity is formed as a world-view. The
> > lacking ingredient is imagination - to think of throwing oneself off a
> > cliff and see the flight of a cannonball as a straight line - yet also
> > the presence of imagination that allows all kinds of brutal facts
> > about the world to be ignored or rationalised. In this trance we can
> > see a disabled family on welfare as a drain on the public purse but
> > not the soccer manager or bwankster costing us much more (because
> > somehow hard work justifies the welfare of the rich - even though for
> > the worker it may just lead to a broken back).
>
> > In science I can speculate on whether space structures appearances and
> > on transfer of our information to planets nearby in information speed
> > terms (think of the play 'Andromeda') - in politics it appears to be
> > as fantastic to wonder of a society free from the grasping rich, or to
> > see this condition as a failure to understand our biology and the long
> > history of debt peonage.
>
> > On Feb 7, 12:17 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > E = mc2 is the most important upshot of relativity. Write a 5,000
> > > word essay. Well, don't worry too much, someone did one earlier -
> >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/equivME/
>
> > > This is only one example, outside my sphere of expertise, I can think
> > > of concerning just how difficult thinking, experiment and proof can
> > > be. How different it all is from moroneconomics that makes
> > > assumptions of standardised human behaviour and outcomes that bless
> > > the rich. I wonder what physics would be like if it allowed such
> > > prejudiced thinking?
>
> > > When I walk Max I'm rather proud of him - he does his business in our
> > > backyard and is an all round nice guy. I can't but notice our
> > > neighbours have let their dogs foul and that local kids foul with
> > > litter. We need quite draconian measures to stop the worst in our
> > > society levelling everything down to the midden and jungle. It seems
> > > reasonable not to expect the best as standard human behaviour. When
> > > I look at the stealing going on under the name of economics, politics
> > > or whatever I get the same feeling.
>
> > > As a scientist, I realised most people know very little of the
> > > reasoning and skills involved. One tries to be charitable and assume
> > > this is because they don't get the chance, but to be honest I've felt
> > > for a long time this is more to do with dullardry, ineptitude and
> > > laziness. I don't believe the natural human condition is one of hard
> > > work and animals are not much of a model for this. The 'busy bee'
> > > usually isn't and spends more time incumbent.
>
> > > When one looks at such as the consideration of mass and energy in
> > > physics, one should wonder on such matters as 'work' in human
> > > interaction, and how that may 'break down'. We don't and still live
> > > in the Dark Ages. If I ask for a 5,000 word essay on work motivation,
> > > 95% of responses from those forced to comply for qualification
> > > purposes will be a regurgitation of textbooks on Maslow, Hertzberg,
> > > Lawler and other 'names' (all dross). The odd student might start in
> > > such contradiction as that of the wealthy manager sated with money and
> > > the poor farmer in India saddled with debt.
>
> > > The content of management textbooks has long been a scandal and the
> > > only change I've noticed since the 1950s is 'weight and gloss'. They
> > > just weigh more these days, glossing over the same old trash One can
> > > note the same in legislative documents. Glass-Steagal was 30-odd
> > > pages, whereas the 'Facilitation of Bankster Fraud Acts' of modern
> > > times run to thousands.
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> > > What strikes me as a scientist is that questions like what kind of a
> > > world do we want ourselves and others to live in, what is the work
> > > needed to do and maintain this and so on is all excluded. If physics
> > > was like economics we'd only be able to describe earth, wind, fire and
> > > water. All that's come from science in this direction is unwarranted
> > > abstraction, usually of maths-based 'proof'.
>
> > > The farce of our system lies in allowing people to get rich and then
> > > control wealth and politics. This is obvious. We rightly worry that
> > > simply overturning this only produces another set of such 'worthies'
> > > likely to be worse. We may even worry that the absence of such
> > > libidinal wealth opportunity takes away all motivation. Whatever this
> > > is about, it's not science. Unlike science, which you won't be doing
> > > unless you can demonstrate some competence, general argument assumes
> > > you have some. Hearing this, many fear the message is a call to be
> > > ruled by scientists. All the scientist really wants is a break from
> > > superstition.
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> |_D Allan
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