mature ones.
On Feb 2, 6:55 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> R U OK James?
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> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:07 AM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oops, wrong thread! Ringing head, dizziness, and nausea are starting
> > to bug me, distracting too. Enough already. Be well everyone. :)
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> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If you don't think your students pick up on a slight hesitation or
> > > unconscious facial signal that a theory is bunk I think you are
> > > selling yourself short Neil. We are in a rapidly changing world, but
> > > some things haven't, conscience for example, you have the haves and
> > > have-nots. I think there is compelling evidence that we could live
> > > more fulfilling lives in the service to mankind, but when faced with
> > > the decision to sink or float/soar many are doing what they think is
> > > necessary even if it is rotting at the core of civilisation. We will
> > > craft our beliefs of right and wrong to fit the world we know, mostly
> > > I think. Identity and seeing oneself in the mirror helps but requires
> > > more than a single image as we need comparisons, it would help to say
> > > hey something else would work and people are doing it. A new labor
> > > class perhaps, philosophically motivated?
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> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I think we are always stuck in an irrational situation, generally the
> > >> makings of others. Science makes some kind of clearing for
> > >> rationality and inventiveness. Heidegger opined on clearings as being
> > >> amongst the real things of the world rather than facing them in
> > >> thought 'where the backs were missing, but that didn't help him see
> > >> the Nazis for what they were. One can probably "curl up" by taking
> > >> action - as a cop in a pub brawl or whatever our countries ask of us
> > >> as soldiers, our societies of mothers and so on. I've found myself
> > >> coping in action fully aware of its ludicrous nature and wondering if
> > >> there is any freedom from it other than that given by adrenaline and
> > >> the steel put in in training to do the noxious.
> > >> There's a strange rationale that we somehow have to do what's right in
> > >> what is already an irrational mess and act as though rational against
> > >> some bigger picture that we are the good guys - a view unseated
> > >> everywhere by realistic history. The question for me is whether we
> > >> can do much with our knowledge in a world in which few will give up on
> > >> the comfort of knowing very little.
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> > >> On Feb 1, 11:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> Also- I think if we really knew the consequences of our acts and
> > >>> choices we might just curl up into a ball and do nothing. One friend
> > >>> and I chuckle that we're all pretty much on an assembly line...
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> > >>> On Feb 1, 5:27 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > Just to clarify my thought- that luck and timing can be good, bad or
> > >>> > indifferent. Also rather than active thinking being a debate, it is
> > >>> > more like selection. Literature and social sciences deal with layered
> > >>> > communication- for instance, withholding facts, feelings or motives.
> > >>> > It is often called discretion. :-) How do you mean "identity"?
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> > >>> > On Jan 31, 11:09 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > > The 'making sense of things later' seems true even in the split
> > second
> > >>> > > in brain research. I regard all strategy as retrospectively
> > devised!
> > >>> > > There's a book just out by Hill and Myatt (economists) on just how
> > >>> > > facile economics teaching is in universities - but this contains
> > >>> > > nothing on how this has happened. Some of this seems to me
> > connected
> > >>> > > with a lack of movement beyond identity Molly.
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> > >>> > > On Jan 31, 1:30 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > > > Part of human nature is to identify with people, thoughts, ideas
> > >>> > > > around us. Being able to witness your identification, and moving
> > >>> > > > beyond it is the real treasure.
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> > >>> > > > On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > Molly your question has my mind running around its dust bins.
> > Most my
> > >>> > > > > thoughts are not original but more composites of other ideas.
> > They are like
> > >>> > > > > hand me downs,, like the 3D image comes from watching how
> > people search
> > >>> > > > > for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different
> > ?idea?.
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> > >>> > > > > My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas.
> > >>> > > > > Allan
> > >>> > > > > On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite
> > bone.
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> > >>> > > > > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have
> > experienced As I have
> > >>> > > > > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself
> > a lot..which is
> > >>> > > > > > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > >>> > > > > > Allan
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> > >>> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about
> > this?
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> > >>> > > > > >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > > > > >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself
> > why none of
> > >>> > > > > >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective
> > unconscious. I
> > >>> > > > > >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has
> > and could tell
> > >>> > > > > >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > The paramount paradox.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his
> > efforts. In fact, I
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks
> > of God series
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese
> > chapters. I wish I
> > >>> > > > > >> could
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe
> > I have read so
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of
> > scrambled
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking
> > back/within. I consider
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and
> > material and yet
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common
> > human myth
> > >>> > > > > >> around
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism
> > something close
> > >>> > > > > >> to
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same
> > archetypes in real
> > >>> > > > > >> time,
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same
> > time. This
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history.
> > This may tell us
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important,
> > but as Vam
> > >>> > > > > >> says,
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > looking within.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is
> > simply explicating
> > >>> > > > > >> what
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > already exists.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct
> > character- or needs
> > >>> > > > > >> to prove
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > that it has.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is
> > because they were
> > >>> > > > > >> oral and
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the
> > conquerors. One
> > >>> > > > > >> also
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep
> > communication.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more
> > scandalous
> > >>> > > > > >> because
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root
> > is greed and
> > >>> > > > > >> distain
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for
> > all its
> > >>> > > > > >> citizens- it
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > picks and chooses.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the
> > Tinsel Age.
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the
> > water with an
> > >>> > > > > >> 'entourage'
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike
> > citation more than
> > >>> > > > > >> you and
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start
> > (to use some
> > >>> > > > > >> rough
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google
> > the name.
> > >>> > > > > >> When I
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone
> > who has the
> > >>> > > > > >> chance to
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still
> > remarkably few)
> > >>> > > > > >> should
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own
> > ideas have been
> > >>> > > > > >> done
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand
> > on the
> > >>> > > > > >> shoulders of
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on
> > Hooke's dwarfish
> > >>> > > > > >> stature).
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is
> > a war criminal
> > >>> > > > > >> in
> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument,
> > never
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