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On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
I do what I want to do , but why do I so want ? I " want " because
there is biological activity within me , which maybe active from
within or reactive to the environment.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:34 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will is a consequence of neural activity , one thought leads to another and
> so the chain goes on. Ultimately it is the brain , which is physical , that
> is responsible for all thoughts , consciousness and actions. Whether we like
> it or not, it is matter that is responsible for our psyche.
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:03:21 AM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> We are bound by very subtle ties and our ostensible freedom is wrapped
>> in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
>> are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
>> > religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
>> > them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
>> > he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
>> > elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
>> > becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
>> > Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
>> > should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
>> > life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
>> > Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
>> > works of art.
>> >
>> > On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I totally agree with you Molly
>> >> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
>> >> > just prefer it there.
>> >>
>> >> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your
>> >> > > choice and
>> >> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
>> >> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
>> >> > > Allan
>> >>
>> >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support
>> >> > > > his
>> >> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in
>> >> > > > order to,
>> >> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe
>> >> > > > that
>> >> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are
>> >> > > > not.
>> >>
>> >> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in
>> >> > > > his
>> >> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and
>> >> > > > there is
>> >> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
>> >> > > > required elements are found.
>> >>
>> >> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may
>> >> > > > be
>> >> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
>> >> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place.
>> >> > > > Also,
>> >> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
>> >>
>> >> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
>> >> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality.
>> >> > > > Even
>> >> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
>> >> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
>> >> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have
>> >> > > > been
>> >> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
>> >> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
>> >> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a
>> >> > > > myth.
>> >>
>> >> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > order to give it legitimacy. After all, our ideas of virtuous
>> >> > > > behaviour, responsibility and justice are founded on the idea of
>> >> > > > free
>> >> > > > will; that we are responsible for our actions and must accept our
>> >> > > > responsibilities. Yet, there is no doubt that free will defies
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > tenets embodied in modern physics, the idea of cause and effect.
>> >> > > > It
>> >> > > > seems to be extremely difficult for us to accept that some things
>> >> > > > just
>> >> > > > are.
>> >>
>> >> > > > I am interested in this dilemma because if we eventually
>> >> > > > discover, if
>> >> > > > we have not already, that determinism is beyond dispute how
>> >> > > > should we
>> >> > > > react? How could we possibly recreate our society to live with
>> >> > > > such a
>> >> > > > 'truth'?
>> >>
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > (
>> >> > > )
>> >> > > |_D Allan
>> >>
>> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:03:21 AM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> We are bound by very subtle ties and our ostensible freedom is wrapped
>> in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
>> are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
>> > religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
>> > them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
>> > he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
>> > elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
>> > becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
>> > Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
>> > should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
>> > life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
>> > Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
>> > works of art.
>> >
>> > On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I totally agree with you Molly
>> >> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
>> >> > just prefer it there.
>> >>
>> >> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your
>> >> > > choice and
>> >> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
>> >> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
>> >> > > Allan
>> >>
>> >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support
>> >> > > > his
>> >> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in
>> >> > > > order to,
>> >> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe
>> >> > > > that
>> >> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are
>> >> > > > not.
>> >>
>> >> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in
>> >> > > > his
>> >> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and
>> >> > > > there is
>> >> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
>> >> > > > required elements are found.
>> >>
>> >> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may
>> >> > > > be
>> >> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
>> >> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place.
>> >> > > > Also,
>> >> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
>> >>
>> >> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
>> >> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality.
>> >> > > > Even
>> >> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
>> >> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
>> >> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have
>> >> > > > been
>> >> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
>> >> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
>> >> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a
>> >> > > > myth.
>> >>
>> >> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > order to give it legitimacy. After all, our ideas of virtuous
>> >> > > > behaviour, responsibility and justice are founded on the idea of
>> >> > > > free
>> >> > > > will; that we are responsible for our actions and must accept our
>> >> > > > responsibilities. Yet, there is no doubt that free will defies
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > tenets embodied in modern physics, the idea of cause and effect.
>> >> > > > It
>> >> > > > seems to be extremely difficult for us to accept that some things
>> >> > > > just
>> >> > > > are.
>> >>
>> >> > > > I am interested in this dilemma because if we eventually
>> >> > > > discover, if
>> >> > > > we have not already, that determinism is beyond dispute how
>> >> > > > should we
>> >> > > > react? How could we possibly recreate our society to live with
>> >> > > > such a
>> >> > > > 'truth'?
>> >>
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > (
>> >> > > )
>> >> > > |_D Allan
>> >>
>> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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