choice as we are making choices constantly. Yes, humans should
struggle to know themselves honestly but that process can be long and
difficult and perhaps a never finished process- maybe it should never
be finished. Facts and truths are altered to fit agendas more often
than not- one must listen or read carefully to note the bias when it
is not blatant/obvious.
Happy Birthday to Billy Collins and Louis Lamour!
On Mar 20, 3:58 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> James, ignorance is never the issue; it will correct itself, now or in
> some decades.
>
> But stupidity is the issue and its first manifestation is disrespect
> for diversity, in general. In particular, stupid people are closed to
> diversity of knowledge and experiences that others have.
>
> For instance, miracles can always happen... quite as a near improbable
> event can. What it means is another matter. I feel hearing out that
> out, from one who has experienced, is more interesting than the
> pontificating babble on the same matter from someone who has not had
> the wondrous experience.
>
> So too, knowledge of any kind... if someone can build it up from the
> empiricals, physical or mental, to realisations that have wider-space
> longer-time scale validity. It is the absolutist general statement,
> having no relationship with the empiricals and their truths, that seem
> so stupid.
>
> Human beings have a responsibility to knowing themselves first, before
> speculating about dimensions and what-not. Just now, a cause and
> effect relationship was stated between brain and mind. And, I do not
> see why or how. I do see the physical qualifying what is in the mind,
> as emotion or thought. But they are in the mind, and are not the mind
> itself. The brain is there while we are asleep, and alive too, so why
> do not "have" a mind then ? In fact, why are we ourselves "absent"
> then ?
>
> All in all, there is a need on our part to be less glib about facts
> and truths. Untill then, it would be a good idea to go on some
> adventure, or at least long walks, or make a man or woman happy, or
> treat another person to happiness, or taste our way to pleasure, or
> write down one's thoughts and see for oneself what it actually is...
>
> On Mar 18, 9:39 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How do you know that, RP, when your dead ? Have you ever died before ?
>
> > > We all have a body and a mind. Based on its capabilities, or
> > > incapabilities, what are we talking about ? Nature ? We hardly know
> > > what, how much, how far, in what ways... it works, in all the 10 to
> > > power 22 star worlds. What we know of it can hardly determine what we
> > > do know about it, quite as the past can hardly define the future !
>
> > I read "not" the first time and had to do a double take on your
> > correction. Your concerns are the reason I use the term 'nature', when
> > I use it romantically I try to make it clear that I am taking
> > liberties. In general I agree with the last part, which gives me a
> > large pause on words like 'absolute' and 'infinite', as I prefer to
> > see that which is outside the boundary of my vision as a mystery full
> > of potential or perhaps containing probabilities given the degree of
> > my experiences. This reconciles easily with me between pursuits of
> > science, philosophy and human nature.
>
> > > Likewise, God. WTF are we talking about ? Now this could seem rude but
> > > should make perfect sense in the context. As in what is this God ?
> > > What constitutes it ? How does it relate to that other fog word "
> > > Nature " ?
>
> > Nature, to me, is all there is, whatever that may be. Notions such as
> > God I include within 'romantic liberties' but that is a preference
> > within my personal philosophy. Others use it differently in diverse
> > ways, some of which I find appealing.
>
> > > I sincerely believe such threads are started on account of something
> > > diseased within us !
>
> > What point would there be to a pursuit of knowledge or truth without
> > ignorance? Denying the latter sounds robotic. IMO approximation is
> > implicit.
>
> > > Healthy people should be talking of matters they know or have
> > > experienced. One can then opine, extrapolate, theorise... and still be
> > > understandable.
>
> > A good general policy, not sure if all this was for both RP and I but
> > I for one admit failure on every term above at some time or other.
> > "What if?"
>
> > Call me a masochist but I enjoy the diversity of thought, meanderings,
> > responding to your message, pestering RP's wisdom, etc.. :)
>
> > > On Mar 17, 11:26 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Good
> > >> Allan
> > >> On Mar 17, 2012 5:28 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > As long as I am alive I am conscious of the world and myself , but when I
> > >> > am dead I reach a state of permanent unconsciousness , a state of supreme
> > >> > peace where nothing disturbs me , a sort of nirvana. that is the ultimate
> > >> > state from which nobody returns.
>
> > >> > On Friday, March 9, 2012 3:32:12 AM UTC+5:30, Ash wrote:
>
> > >> >> This does make some sense to me RP so I hope my question doesn't sound
> > >> >> critical. For me thinking in this way causes a massive amount of
> > >> >> difficulty, as it sounds like immutable truths, so I have to translate
> > >> >> away the language to get glints of my own thinking through. We could
> > >> >> easily call my predicament not seeing the forest for the trees, and
> > >> >> that would be a fitting if not limited statement. In my mind I prefer
> > >> >> to start with the will representing laws of nature which are dynamic,
> > >> >> and work more along an opportunistic heuristic. For me it is obvious
> > >> >> that some people talk about an n-dimensional entity, but n is an
> > >> >> aspect of scope in one's perspective. If n is potentially infinite,
> > >> >> then the truths may have strength but are more optimizations than
> > >> >> static ontology. I am wondering if there is some useful perspective
> > >> >> that can be used in my situation, or perhaps it is a hopeless case.
> > >> >> Perhaps you have something to help me?
>
> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > Neil , there is no difference. The universe is not nature but a
> > >> >> > manifestation of Nature or God. It is unconscious but not dead, as
> > >> >> > that would have meant no life , further it has to be unconscious as
> > >> >> > the conscious is always bound to certain limits and is dual.
>
> > >> >> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> That's a little bit different - and I'm in agreement. Some scientists
> > >> >> >> have suggested we could make a universe with life conditions in the
> > >> >> >> laboratory - still leaving us with issues about beginnings. Science
> > >> >> >> fiction wise one can imagine making such universes in order to travel
> > >> >> >> in time in them to discover more on how we were made - by occupying
> > >> >> >> earlier stages of them. I tend to think of the unconscious as what
> > >> >> >> isn't in rational consciousness, but I know this is inadequate as much
> > >> >> >> human consciousness in action is not known to the participants
> > >> >> >> rationally.
>
> > >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2:59 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>> Life had to come from somewhere , why not from an unconscious Nature
> > >> >> >>> which would explain the presence of Laws behind every action and
> > >> >> >>> inaction.
>
> > >> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>> > That doesn't help RP. Why this rather than a host of alternatives?
>
> > >> >> >>> > On Mar 4, 4:28 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>> >> God is not made of fire , air , earth , water , ether and
> > >> >> consciousness ,
> > >> >> >>> >> rather all these emanate from Him. God is unconscious and without
> > >> >> >>> >> attributes.
>
> > >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>
> > >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the Creation
> > >> >> which
> > >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that you have
> > >> >> choice , but
> > >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the trajectory
> > >> >> of the
> > >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included, is bound
> > >> >> by laws and
> > >> >> >>> >> > everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of God".
> > >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
>
> > >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the Creation
> > >> >> which
> > >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that you have
> > >> >> choice , but
> > >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the trajectory
> > >> >> of the
> > >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included, is bound
> > >> >> by laws and
> > >> >> >>> >> > everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of God".- Hide quoted text -
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