Re: Mind's Eye Re: Some Education

Education needs more financial support not less..  and is a severe problem..  most of which comes from the community failing to meet the needs of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost  they could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..  to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,, starting wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo

you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..

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wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.?    well Actually I think it does just the opposite  it increases it. The jocks become school approved and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies..   school honors their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,,  commonly known as the blind eye..

I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a college education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated  sports as the way to get the education they needed..  and what about the children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up these problems so they are never hear of again...  you don't want to disturb their prize  program  for encouraging  adolescent thuggery.

Allan

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:

Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education system can fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do you make a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work and if you have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders to deal with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different needs and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What works for one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always favored the Montessori method for primary schooling.

 

Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those willing and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's not ok to steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney off to "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline of this kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting the learning of more well behaved children.

 

Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.

 

dj

 

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics) and
> current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these base
> courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used to teach
> something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics and
> Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed down
> school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We should be
> teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We need more
> competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these days.
> It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in such
> decline.

I am not as experienced as others here in education but I have the
impression that the failings we see in education are echoes of society
not the other way around. The gov't dole requires kids attend (or
else), it is an overworked and underfunded system that keeps kids off
the streets and out of the labor market decreasing prison populations
and fueling multiple economies. If we look at a cultural cross-section
going from inner-city, urban, suburban, rural with varying
socio-economic conditions, quality of life, and on to exposure and
familiarity with social resources I would say competition is quite
present across the board. What we have is a society composed of
psychologically maladapted humans frantically scrambling about mostly
aimlessly in a post traumatic stupor caused by spending a lifetime in
environments that evolved in every way but those that matter most to
human beings. One could consider it highly successful in that regard.
But that's an opinion (I think), one that doesn't exactly reach
solutions but can contribute some emphasis.

> I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important. Competitive
> sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
> thing."

I am skeptical of the character traits required to defeat opponents,
as in war "all is fair".. but I agree on learning to face challenge
with an attitude of expectation and consider sports on the
mid-spectrum of character building skills. Success can go too far in
both directions, whether hopping on the highs of success leaving a
wake of failures or becoming despotic and building nepotistic
oligopolies in life- both are negative parasitic behaviors easily
justified and blindingly so. You are on the money though regarding
attitude I think, but it would take a lot of hard social
reconstruction- otherwise it just sounds like dog eat dog, and that is
what we have now (albeit a more pacified version). Damn I'm longwinded
tonight: I like the 'Ideal', but I've rarely run into anyone with that
attitude who can take serious questions into account.

We should still have sports either way for the reasons you put
forward. :) I'm a little bit of Semper Fi plus a huge bit of Semper
Vigilance.

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> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely...
>>
>> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
>> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>> >
>> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n Biology.
>> >
>> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
>> >
>> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
>> > > > Art. Sports.
>> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
>> > > > & Computers... www.
>> >
>> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or not but
>> ill still
>> > > > > reply to him... even we in our country face a similar problem, of
>> this
>> > > > > robotic teaching... senseless rote learning. But i am really
>> dissappointed
>> > > > > with our syllabus change our school board did.. i think in trying
>> to make
>> > > > > stuff easier.. they are giving the people trash..i mean it.. i can
>> > > > > confidently say.. I did not learn anything in school .. it was
>> only after
>> > > > > going to college that i began to think about stuff.. and it came
>> like a
>> > > > > bullet train.. and i was thinking.. what crap were they feeding me
>> in
>> > > > > school. The thing is.. not making the curriculum easy.. but giving
>> time to
>> > > > > the essential things...I cant think of alternative ways...I think
>> it'll
>> > > > > always be controversial ..what to teach the younger generation.. I
>> think..
>> > > > > what worked for me in college was that i got a lot of my own
>> > > > > time..
>> >
>> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, pol.science kid <
>> r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > Hey the link worked for me...
>> >
>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> I'm not sure aezen is functional Molly.
>> >
>> > > > > >> On Apr 16, 12:50 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >> > This link is not functional.
>> >
>> > > > > >> > On Apr 15, 8:55 am, Æzen <ae...@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> > > You may be interested in reading the article from which I
>> have taken
>> > > > > >> the
>> > > > > >> > > following excerpt:
>> >
>> > > > > >> > > "[...] The truly educated become conscious. They become
>> self-aware.
>> > > > > >> They do
>> > > > > >> > > not lie to themselves. They do not pretend that fraud is
>> moral or that
>> > > > > >> > > corporate greed is good. They do not claim that the demands
>> of the
>> > > > > >> > > marketplace can morally justify the hunger of children or
>> denial of
>> > > > > >> medical
>> > > > > >> > > care to the sick. They do not throw 6 million families from
>> their
>> > > > > >> homes as
>> > > > > >> > > the cost of doing business. Thought is a dialogue with
>> one's inner
>> > > > > >> self.
>> > > > > >> > > Those who think ask questions, questions those in authority
>> do not
>> > > > > >> want
>> > > > > >> > > asked. They remember who we are, where we come from and
>> where we
>> > > > > >> should go.
>> > > > > >> > > They remain eternally skeptical and distrustful of power.
>> And they
>> > > > > >> know
>> > > > > >> > > that this moral independence is the only protection from
>> the radical
>> > > > > >> evil
>> > > > > >> > > that results from collective unconsciousness. The capacity
>> to think
>> > > > > >> is the
>> > > > > >> > > only bulwark against any centralized authority that seeks
>> to impose
>> > > > > >> > > mindless obedience. There is a huge difference, as Socrates
>> > > > > >> understood,
>> > > > > >> > > between teaching people what to think and teaching them how
>> to think.
>> > > > > >> Those
>> > > > > >> > > who are endowed with a moral conscience refuse to commit
>> crimes, even
>> > > > > >> those
>> > > > > >> > > sanctioned by the corporate state, because they do not in
>> the end
>> > > > > >> want to
>> > > > > >> > > live with criminals—themselves.
>> >
>> > > > > >> > > Advertisement
>> > > > > >> > > "It is better to be at odds with the whole world than,
>> being one, to
>> > > > > >> be at
>> > > > > >> > > odds with myself," Socrates said. [...]"
>> > > > > >>
>> www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_the_united_states_is_destroying_her_...
>> >
>> > > > > >> > > On Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:43:55 UTC+1, pol.science kid
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village ...
>> we were
>> > > > > >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
>> doing the
>> > > > > >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
>> education.. clearly
>> > > > > >> > > > what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in
>> the rural
>> > > > > >> > > > side..most of them do think theyre wasting their
>> time...teachers
>> > > > > >> hate
>> > > > > >> > > > the kids kids hate the teachers..everyone is bitching...
>> the
>> > > > > >> situation
>> > > > > >> > > > is pretty bad.. those who can do get out.. actually
>> primary
>> > > > > >> education
>> > > > > >> > > > in my country is pretty beat up... now in know most of
>> you are from
>> > > > > >> > > > the 'West'.. Sounds weird when i say it like that.. we're
>> frequently
>> > > > > >> > > > told that primary education in the west is quite o.k.
>> .... in fact
>> > > > > >> > > > good.. What do you guys think?.. Also... how do you
>> > > > > >> > > > define
>> > > > > >> > > > education..i almost hate the term by now.. get to hear it
>> so much
>> > > > > >> with
>> > > > > >> > > > people having no idea of what they mean.... what do you
>> think..?
>> >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > EverComing
>> >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > EverComing
>>
>

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|_D Allan

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