than that, sports is a huge industry overall though I can't cite the
figures involved. And many elected activities are private- such as
music lessons, dance, theater- and paid for by parents as schools have
cut back.//There are several problems here: antiquated buildings,
tenure, drain of pensions, urban violence and drug use, dysfunctional
families, culture clashes, student jobs or home responsibilities that
interfere with learning, contempt for knowledge, etc.//Most lives are
written by others and we just play our part- that world/stage bit from
"As You Like It"- Shakespeare.
On Apr 19, 6:41 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The glamour we give to celebrity may be another thread entirely. I
> suppose, getting back to poly si kid's point, that sports is just one
> choice, like music or art or shop or theater or student government
> that kids choose to participate in to learn social skills. Giving the
> choice of elective is important, I think. The Henry Ford model for
> education along with the governmental standards that attempt to make
> sure schools are living up to their mandates of educating children may
> well be out dated, and we may be better off evolving into something
> more tailored to individual ability. With millions of kids to
> educate, that design seems daunting to develop. I have seen a few
> attempts backfire in my day, and we end up with the same old same
> old. Yet we are all here, talking somewhat intelligently, making our
> way in the world. I suppose the system deserves credit for teaching
> children and making it a priority. Not all world cultures do. In the
> end, life is what we make of it. Do our stories tell us, or do we
> tell our stories?
>
> On Apr 19, 3:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I do see the value to sports,, but sports in the schools absolutely not,
> > sports can teach a a lot of things but they need to be outside of the
> > schools and in clubs like it is over here.. the major reason in school it
> > promotes elitism with the jocks running around in their jackets and
> > measuring their importance as to what they are allowed to get away
> > with strutting around like a bunch of cocks.. with more emphasis on sports
> > than education. this goes right on to the universities.. look at the
> > schools that promote their sports and the justifications for these
> > activities..
>
> > Sports need to be out side of schools,,,, believe me I see the amount of
> > sports activities here in Holland and I am amazed. Clubs own their
> > equipment and facilities not supported by taxes.. then children can take
> > part in what they want,, and more importantly the taxpayer does not have
> > to fund these activities.. and the pro football teams (soccer) are having
> > no problem finding top players.
>
> > Education needs the best financing available and these funds should not be
> > wasted on sports. and school under no conditions should be rated on their
> > sport teams.. and that includes universities.. schools should be rated on
> > their ability to provide an education,
>
> > Education will turn economies around not sports...
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> There is a lot of things you don't want to address if you want to keep up
> > >> the theorem "bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do". But
> > >> then we've learned to take it functionally sporty, haven't we?
>
> > >> Molly has a point Gabby. It's not the wrestling or football or the ever
> > > popular 'dodge ball' that make the bully although I must admit these
> > > games(especially dodge ball) attract the sadist in us all. Is there a
> > > greater feeling of power then flipping some other dude on his ass and then
> > > sitting on him for 3 seconds? I think not...unless it's creaming some dude
> > > in the kisser with a 90 mile an hour big red rubber ball. Hell yes. (I'm
> > > kidding!)
>
> > > Molly's point about bullies getting bullied at home also rings true with
> > > me. Bullies are mostly very unhappy not well adjusted people. Perhaps,
> > > maybe just maybe, if some of these abused kids can get some self respect
> > > playing a sport their attitude will improve. Let me add that I see a
> > > difference between hazing and bullying. The former is a long standing
> > > tradition that helps mold new members into the fold if done with restraint.
> > > It can also weed out the less hardy individuals that might be more suited
> > > to, say, the chess club instead of a team sport. The latter is simply to
> > > torture the weak for fun and no other reason.
>
> > > I will agree that a better ALLOCATION of funds is in order for our
> > > educational system. The waste is mind boggling. We build palaces fortified
> > > like fortresses and in some cases prisons and serve breakfast and lunch and
> > > pay administrators enormous salaries to do what? Always ask for more money
> > > next year. I say lets teach our kids in trailers. Or better yet rent some
> > > of the empty shopping malls and/or business and retail space that's become
> > > available since the Recession. Let's have the kids clean up and do routine
> > > maintenance with the janitors in charge. It builds character. Wouldn't hurt
> > > for the teachers to sweat right along with the students occasionally.
> > > Builds rapport and mutual respect.
>
> > > Hey I'm just brain storming here but that's the kind of school I hope my
> > > grandkids go to. If they do it will be a private school I can tell you
> > > that.
>
> > > dj
>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> Sorry Molly I was one of the kids bullied.. i lived on a farm ..
> > >>> didn't end till the leaded of the group took me on in PE wresling and I
> > >>> got a hole of the back of his neck.. I milked by hand and my fingers had
> > >>> a reasonable amount of strength he did not want to endure.. he promised to
> > >>> leave me alone.. (he was a real ass hole,, ) I have no respect for
> > >>> highschool sports.. and if parants want to suport it that is fine.,,
> > >>> but it should not be supported by the taxpayer.. I see you did not
> > >>> address the injured players..
> > >>> Allan
>
> > >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> I raised two boys who both enjoyed sports and one played football in
> > >>>> college. There are many levels of learning involved, including
> > >>>> thinking skills of predicting the opponents plays and adapting to what
> > >>>> is going on during the play within the rules of the game. Learning to
> > >>>> strengthen and condition the body for maximum performance is something
> > >>>> that seems to carry beyond the age of sports participation. Teamwork
> > >>>> and respect for ones team and other teams, for me, was probably the
> > >>>> most important thing they learned and in fact, they taught me a few
> > >>>> things about it while they played.
>
> > >>>> That is not to say that the things you point out don't occur, Allan.
> > >>>> I think bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do, as I
> > >>>> watched kids who were bullied at home grow up to do the same. The
> > >>>> real crime is that we know people in our communities that bully their
> > >>>> kids and are powerless to do anything about it, other than the
> > >>>> opportune comment to the parent which often brings unintended results
> > >>>> on the child. What we tolerate around us in terms of human behavior
> > >>>> often creates the things we later condemn. that tolerance is
> > >>>> sometimes our own blind spot, sometimes social conditioning and shared
> > >>>> moral code.
>
> > >>>> On Apr 18, 2:46 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> > Education needs more financial support not less.. and is a severe
> > >>>> > problem.. most of which comes from the community failing to meet the
> > >>>> needs
> > >>>> > of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost
> > >>>> they
> > >>>> > could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..
> > >>>> > to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,,
> > >>>> starting
> > >>>> > wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo
> > >>>> > you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..
>
> > >>>> > ***** lol ***** response ****
>
> > >>>> > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.? well Actually I think
> > >>>> it
> > >>>> > does just the opposite it increases it. The jocks become school
> > >>>> approved
> > >>>> > and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies.. school honors
> > >>>> > their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,,
> > >>>> commonly
> > >>>> > known as the blind eye..
>
> > >>>> > I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a
> > >>>> college
> > >>>> > education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated
> > >>>> > sports as the way to get the education they needed.. and what about
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> > children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up
> > >>>> these
> > >>>> > problems so they are never hear of again... you don't want to disturb
> > >>>> > their prize program for encouraging adolescent thuggery.
> > >>>> > Allan
>
> > >>>> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > > Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry
> > >>>> of low
> > >>>> > > expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> > >>>> > > teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education
> > >>>> system can
> > >>>> > > fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do
> > >>>> you make
> > >>>> > > a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work
> > >>>> and if you
> > >>>> > > have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders
> > >>>> to deal
> > >>>> > > with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different
> > >>>> needs
> > >>>> > > and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What
> > >>>> works for
> > >>>> > > one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always
> > >>>> favored
> > >>>> > > the Montessori method for primary schooling.
>
> > >>>> > > Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those
> > >>>> willing
> > >>>> > > and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's
> > >>>> not ok to
> > >>>> > > steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney
> > >>>> off to
> > >>>> > > "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline
> > >>>> of this
> > >>>> > > kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> > >>>> > > encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> > >>>> > > eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> > > learning of more well behaved children.
>
> > >>>> > > Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a
> > >>>> > > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> > >>>> > > dj
>
> > >>>> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
> > >>>> >wrote:
>
> > >>>> > >> On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> > >> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics)
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> > >> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these
> > >>>> base
> > >>>> > >> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools
> > >>>> used to
> > >>>> > >> teach
> > >>>> > >> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World
> > >>>> Economics and
> > >>>> > >> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed
> > >>>> down
> > >>>> > >> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We
> > >>>> > >> should be
> > >>>> > >> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We
> > >>>> need more
> > >>>> > >> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to
> > >>>> attain
> > >>>> > >> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive
> > >>>> these
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