also Hospitaliers. Yes, the eight points denote virtues. The Knights
Templar are associated with the island of Cyprus and their cross is
different. Not sure about the Teutonic Knights in current terms nor
the Knights of Columbus for that matter. It's a complicated subject
and I remember what a struggle it was to read Eco's "Foucault's
Pendulum" when it came out and may have given up and hauled it back to
the library- anyway, he claims his theory was a spoof.
On Apr 20, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No it was not a clever pun just my poor spelling but it was the best i
> could do to get the idea across;; now the Knights Templar seems to me
> was a medieval group back from the crusades .. actually they (the
> original still exist) ended up in Malta and it is something that you can
> not join but have to be asked.. Money helps but it is in what you have
> to offer as it in reality is a huge charity originally it came from the
> original knights templar and it is strikingly an honorary thing and you
> better be able to lay out the big bucks and be willing not to get credit..
> and there is also the code you must follow in your daily life.. the
> points of the Maltese cross.. interesting organization.. (yes i do know
> some people who are members but i do not know them personally (the royal
> family of the Netherlands are members))
> Don't be fooled by the 'want to be.'
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do remember
> > you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for me.//I
> > can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for Breivik
> > except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
> > their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and Pope.//I
> > have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
> > personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
> > humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of their
> > herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
> > distribution of power/freedom.
>
> > On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You are right Rigsy it is medieval just could not find it in the spell
> > > checker (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is creating
> > > a fantasy.. though I know of that ate very much against the
> > > muslim influnce they are not secret organizations, but here in the
> > > Netherlands a political party.. and they are very vocal.. and the
> > feelings
> > > are quite wide spread..
>
> > > I can not help but think that Breivik is trying to be another Hitler
> > > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is trying to
> > > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get people
> > to
> > > follow him blindly.. but I do not think he as as bright as he see
> > > himself as.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade routes
> > > > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the Dark
> > > > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift and
> > > > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's pay-back
> > > > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > > > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present international
> > > > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I heard KT
> > > > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has to do
> > > > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > > > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language being a
> > > > necessity of trade.
>
> > > > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I watched a program on the mid evil mind and how they view things..
> > one
> > > > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it involved
> > islam
> > > > ,,
> > > > > I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i found
> > > > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> > mathematics
> > > > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much detail on that
> > > > end..
>
> > > > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its interest
> > > > science
> > > > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems all that
> > islam
> > > > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is
> > interested
> > > > in
> > > > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > > > is contrary to western law.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the
> > population
> > > > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that eases
> > the
> > > > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was
> > probably
> > > > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief and
> > > > > > practice.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us. I'd go for
> > > > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and much more
> > > > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work). Current university
> > > > > > > programmes should be available on television and available free
> > with
> > > > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics work
> > in the
> > > > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic rather than
> > > > > > > separated as now. Education is currently a government scam and
> > an
> > > > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If one liners
> > > > paid
> > > > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in the
> > > > unpacking so
> > > > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam ;-)
>
> > > > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet", and I
> > could
> > > > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and structure and
> > it
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a qualitative/individual
> > aspect to
> > > > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all else
> > follows
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to society-
> > every
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is
> > logistics
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or western
> > > > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not leading
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> > perspective
> > > > to
> > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know what the
> > thing
> > > > or
> > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > That should leave all the bubbles with you. And the
> > yeast...
>
> > > > > > > > >> > On Apr 14, 8:49 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> It looks you took Ash's mixing pot image too literal,
> > Vam.
> > > > You
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > >> >> bring
> > > > > > > > >> >> order into a mixing pot by sequencing bubble terms - add
> > some
> > > > > > yeast if
> > > > > > > > >> >> you
> > > > > > > > >> >> want to create bubbles and get your new order!
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> If wisdom is what you wish to attain, you will not be
> > able to
> > > > > > achieve
> > > > > > > > >> >> your
> > > > > > > > >> >> goal without having taken good care of your critical eye,
> > > > for it
> > > > > > is the
> > > > > > > > >> >> root that prevents you from being blinded.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Education does not deliver knowledge or facts - Google
> > or my
> > > > > > newspaper
> > > > > > > > >> >> does
> > > > > > > > >> >> that. In a wider sense they also educate me, but more in
> > the
> > > > > > sense of I
> > > > > > > > >> >> am
> > > > > > > > >> >> using their services with the intention to get access to
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > > > >> >> and
> > > > > > > > >> >> not in the sense that I wish to get formed in their
> > image.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> I see a big difference in eastern and western
> > understanding
> > > > of
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > >> >> education means.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Vam <
> > atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Education, leading to some wisdom in which our critical
> > > > view
> > > > > > may take
> > > > > > > > >> >> > root, takes time... yes, Knowledge >>> Attitude >>>
> > > > > > Application >>>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Skills involves a process of incubation, and Time.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Now, the time required for specific knowledge-to-skill
> > > > > > acquisition
> > > > > > > > >> >> > process to complete differs with different people, for
> > a
> > > > > > variety of
> > > > > > > > >> >> > reasons and factors involved.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > So, the society - education industry - only promises to
> > > > > > deliver the
> > > > > > > > >> >> > knowledge, leaving our any committment to orienting the
> > > > > > student's
> > > > > > > > >> >> > attitude, willing to apply and learn from it, and its
> > > > > > maturation into
> > > > > > > > >> >> > an integrated perspective and life skills.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > The education just delivers the knowledge, the "
> > facts," to
> > > > > > meet a
> > > > > > > > >> >> > schedule. What a stated " fact " means, in association
> > with
> > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > >> >> > stated and unstated, is upto the student to discover.
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > It may happen tommorow, take a lifetime, or may never
> > > > emerge !
>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > On Apr 14, 3:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > I think education is a mixing pot. Remove the social
> > > > factors
> > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > think US public education is good, here in the
> > states we
> > > > > > believe in
>
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