many Europeans that became permanent in the Middle East due to the
Crusades and just dissolved into the population over the centuries-
maybe those left behind after the defeats or those who were kidnapped
as slaves by the Muslims.//Anyway, the irony of middle class security
is that it is also a complicated trap.
On Apr 22, 1:30 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy Pack up your bag and head off to Malta for a couple of months or
> so,, so good old fashion sight seeing.. they have an interesting history
> even more interesting in person..
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Maltese Cross is associated with the Knights of St. John, Allan-
> > also Hospitaliers. Yes, the eight points denote virtues. The Knights
> > Templar are associated with the island of Cyprus and their cross is
> > different. Not sure about the Teutonic Knights in current terms nor
> > the Knights of Columbus for that matter. It's a complicated subject
> > and I remember what a struggle it was to read Eco's "Foucault's
> > Pendulum" when it came out and may have given up and hauled it back to
> > the library- anyway, he claims his theory was a spoof.
>
> > On Apr 20, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > No it was not a clever pun just my poor spelling but it was the best
> > i
> > > could do to get the idea across;; now the Knights Templar seems to me
> > > was a medieval group back from the crusades .. actually they (the
> > > original still exist) ended up in Malta and it is something that you can
> > > not join but have to be asked.. Money helps but it is in what you
> > have
> > > to offer as it in reality is a huge charity originally it came from the
> > > original knights templar and it is strikingly an honorary thing and
> > you
> > > better be able to lay out the big bucks and be willing not to get
> > credit..
> > > and there is also the code you must follow in your daily life.. the
> > > points of the Maltese cross.. interesting organization.. (yes i do know
> > > some people who are members but i do not know them personally (the royal
> > > family of the Netherlands are members))
> > > Don't be fooled by the 'want to be.'
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do remember
> > > > you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for me.//I
> > > > can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for Breivik
> > > > except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
> > > > their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and Pope.//I
> > > > have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
> > > > personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
> > > > humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of their
> > > > herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
> > > > distribution of power/freedom.
>
> > > > On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > You are right Rigsy it is medieval just could not find it in the
> > spell
> > > > > checker (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is creating
> > > > > a fantasy.. though I know of that ate very much against the
> > > > > muslim influnce they are not secret organizations, but here in the
> > > > > Netherlands a political party.. and they are very vocal.. and the
> > > > feelings
> > > > > are quite wide spread..
>
> > > > > I can not help but think that Breivik is trying to be another Hitler
> > > > > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is trying
> > to
> > > > > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get
> > people
> > > > to
> > > > > follow him blindly.. but I do not think he as as bright as he see
> > > > > himself as.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade
> > routes
> > > > > > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the Dark
> > > > > > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift and
> > > > > > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's
> > pay-back
> > > > > > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > > > > > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present international
> > > > > > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I heard
> > KT
> > > > > > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has to do
> > > > > > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > > > > > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language being a
> > > > > > necessity of trade.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I watched a program on the mid evil mind and how they view
> > things..
> > > > one
> > > > > > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it
> > involved
> > > > islam
> > > > > > ,,
> > > > > > > I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i
> > found
> > > > > > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> > > > mathematics
> > > > > > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much detail on
> > that
> > > > > > end..
>
> > > > > > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its
> > interest
> > > > > > science
> > > > > > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems all
> > that
> > > > islam
> > > > > > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is
> > > > interested
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > > > > > is contrary to western law.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the
> > > > population
> > > > > > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that
> > eases
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was
> > > > probably
> > > > > > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief and
> > > > > > > > practice.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us. I'd go
> > for
> > > > > > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and much
> > more
> > > > > > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work). Current
> > university
> > > > > > > > > programmes should be available on television and available
> > free
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics
> > work
> > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic rather
> > than
> > > > > > > > > separated as now. Education is currently a government scam
> > and
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If one
> > liners
> > > > > > paid
> > > > > > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in the
> > > > > > unpacking so
> > > > > > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam ;-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet", and I
> > > > could
> > > > > > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and structure
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a qualitative/individual
> > > > aspect to
> > > > > > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all else
> > > > follows
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to
> > society-
> > > > every
> > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is
> > > > logistics
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or
> > western
> > > > > > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not
> > leading
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> > > > perspective
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know what the
> > > > thing
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > That should leave all the bubbles with you. And the
> > > > yeast...
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Apr 14, 8:49 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> It looks you took Ash's mixing pot image too literal,
> > > > Vam.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> bring
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> order into a mixing pot by sequencing bubble terms -
> > add
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > yeast if
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> you
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> want to create bubbles and get your new order!
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> If wisdom is what you wish to attain, you will not be
> > > > able to
> > > > > > > > achieve
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> your
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> goal without having taken good care of your critical
> > eye,
> > > > > > for it
> > > > > > > > is the
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> root that prevents you from being blinded.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Education does not deliver knowledge or facts -
> > Google
> > > > or my
> > > > > > > > newspaper
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> does
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> that. In a wider sense they also educate me, but
> > more in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > sense of I
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> am
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> using their services with the intention to get
> > access to
> > > > > > > > information
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> not in the sense that I wish to get formed in their
> > > > image.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I see a big difference in eastern and western
> > > > understanding
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> education means.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Sat, Apr
>
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