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Re: Mind's Eye Some Education

And here I thought you had made a very clever pun! :-) I do remember
you explained your spelling- but it has not been a problem for me.//I
can't understand the Knights Templar becoming a template for Breivik
except for the Crusades- I suppose it depends on how you have read
their history- great wealth betrayed by the French king and Pope.//I
have seen a good deal of hypocrisy in the Liberals between their
personal and public positions so I am wary, perhaps. I think that
humans are still nomadic- chasing moolah instead of the moo's of their
herds- but this is intensified by wars, economic imbalances and
distribution of power/freedom.

On Apr 19, 9:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are right Rigsy  it is medieval  just could not find it in the spell
> checker  (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is creating
> a fantasy..  though I know of that ate very much against the
> muslim influnce   they are not secret organizations,  but here in the
> Netherlands a political party..  and they are very vocal.. and the feelings
> are quite wide spread..
>
> I can not help but think that Breivik  is trying to be another Hitler
> instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is trying to
> work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get people to
> follow him blindly..   but I do not think he as as bright  as he see
> himself as.
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade routes
> > plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the Dark
> > Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift and
> > brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's pay-back
> > for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
>
> > You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present international
> > banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I heard KT
> > mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has to do
> > with his anti-Islam "mission".
>
> > Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language being a
> > necessity of trade.
>
> > On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view things..  one
> > > of the things that was looked at education and part of it involved islam
> > ,,
> > >  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i found
> > > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and mathematics
> > > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much detail on that
> > end..
>
> > > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its interest
> > science
> > > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems all that islam
> > > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is interested
> > in
> > > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> > > is contrary to western law.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the population
> > > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that eases the
> > > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was probably
> > > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief and
> > > > practice.
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd go for
> > > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and much more
> > > > > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current university
> > > > > programmes should be available on television and available free with
> > > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics work in the
> > > > > community and social and sports events are also civic rather than
> > > > > separated as now.  Education is currently a government scam and an
> > > > > export scam.
>
> > > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If one liners
> > paid
> > > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in the
> > unpacking so
> > > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
>
> > > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet", and I could
> > > > re-pin
> > > > > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> > > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and structure and it
> > seems
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> me you are both talking about a qualitative/individual aspect to
> > > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all else follows
> > from
> > > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to society- every
> > > > last
> > > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is logistics
> > of
> > > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> > > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or western
> > > > anything.
>
> > > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not leading to
> > the
> > > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me perspective
> > to
> > > > world
> > > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know what the thing
> > or
> > > > matter
> > > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
> > > > > > >> > That should leave all the bubbles with you. And the yeast...
>
> > > > > > >> > On Apr 14, 8:49 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> It looks you took Ash's mixing pot image too literal, Vam.
> > You
> > > > don't
> > > > > > >> >> bring
> > > > > > >> >> order into a mixing pot by sequencing bubble terms - add some
> > > > yeast if
> > > > > > >> >> you
> > > > > > >> >> want to create bubbles and get your new order!
>
> > > > > > >> >> If wisdom is what you wish to attain, you will not be able to
> > > > achieve
> > > > > > >> >> your
> > > > > > >> >> goal without having taken good care of your critical eye,
> > for it
> > > > is the
> > > > > > >> >> root that prevents you from being blinded.
>
> > > > > > >> >> Education does not deliver knowledge or facts - Google or my
> > > > newspaper
> > > > > > >> >> does
> > > > > > >> >> that. In a wider sense they also educate me, but more in the
> > > > sense of I
> > > > > > >> >> am
> > > > > > >> >> using their services with the intention to get access to
> > > > information
> > > > > > >> >> and
> > > > > > >> >> not in the sense that I wish to get formed in their image.
>
> > > > > > >> >> I see a big difference in eastern and western understanding
> > of
> > > > what
> > > > > > >> >> education means.
>
> > > > > > >> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > Education, leading to some wisdom in which our critical
> > view
> > > > may take
> > > > > > >> >> > root, takes time... yes, Knowledge >>> Attitude >>>
> > > > Application >>>
> > > > > > >> >> > Skills involves a process of incubation, and Time.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > Now, the time required for specific knowledge-to-skill
> > > > acquisition
> > > > > > >> >> > process to complete differs with different people, for a
> > > > variety of
> > > > > > >> >> > reasons and factors involved.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > So, the society - education industry - only promises to
> > > > deliver the
> > > > > > >> >> > knowledge, leaving our any committment to orienting the
> > > > student's
> > > > > > >> >> > attitude, willing to apply and learn from it, and its
> > > > maturation into
> > > > > > >> >> > an integrated perspective and life skills.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > The education just delivers the knowledge, the " facts," to
> > > > meet a
> > > > > > >> >> > schedule. What a stated " fact " means, in association with
> > > > others
> > > > > > >> >> > stated and unstated, is upto the student to discover.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > It may happen tommorow, take a lifetime, or may never
> > emerge !
>
> > > > > > >> >> > On Apr 14, 3:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > > I think education is a mixing pot. Remove the social
> > factors
> > > > and I
> > > > > > >> >> > > think US public education is good, here in the states we
> > > > believe in
> > > > > > >> >> > > solving social problems by expanding the prison system.
> > o.0
> > > > The
> > > > > > >> >> > > solutions I keep hearing from people in the past year are
> > > > bizarre,
> > > > > > >> >> > > vigilante militia with public executions sort of stuff.
> > It
> > > > makes me
> > > > > > >> >> > > wonder if it's a meme I'm missing or something. Anyway..
> > > > back to
> > > > > > >> >> > > topic.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > > Who has the attitude that it is a waste of time: kids,
> > > > parents,
> > > > > > >> >> > > teachers? I imagine modernizing a largely rural or
> > isolated
> > > > > > >> >> > > population
> > > > > > >> >> > > would have some resistance, I'd say give it a few
> > > > generations to
> > > > > > >> >> > > get
> > > > > > >> >> > > going and put a lot of effort in recycling their
> > traditional
> > > > > > >> >> > > community
> > > > > > >> >> > > resources. If it is a boilerplate political maneuver
> > there
> > > > is still
> > > > > > >> >> > > social gain but I would worry about increasing
> > resentment and
> > > > > > >> >> > > culture
> > > > > > >> >> > > clash. The roots of education predate and transcend
> > > > institutional
> > > > > > >> >> > > bureaucracy and the primary factors revolve around
> > family and
> > > > > > >> >> > > community, a progressive surge could propel innovative
> > > > strategies
> > > > > > >> >> > > but
> > > > > > >> >> > > I think it also could decimate a culture or weaken it's
> > > > ability to
> > > > > > >> >> > > adapt and outpace growing pains/challenges.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > > This is an interesting topic pol, more observations
> > please.
>
> > > > > > >> >> > > On 4/12/12, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village
> > ...
> > > > we were
> > > > > > >> >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
> > > > doing the
> > > > > > >> >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
> > education..
> > > > > > >> >> > > > clearly
> > > > > > >> >> > > > what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in
> > the
> > > > rural
> > > > > > >> >> > > > side..most of them do think theyre wasting their
> > > > time...teachers
> > > > > > >> >> > > > hate
> > > > > > >> >> > > > the kids kids hate the teachers..everyone is
> > bitching...
> > > > the
> > > > > > >> >> > > > situation
> > > > > > >> >> > > > is pretty bad.. those who can do get out.. actually
>
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