Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

we are at the same time, some-body and no-body - the heart of the
paradox. The same awareness in both. Both one.

On Jun 25, 9:23 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
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> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The heart also responds to all the things you mention.  Our physical
> > organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
> > The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
> > regard.  Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
> > are in dynamic relationship.  The become one in paradox.
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> > On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
> >> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
> >> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
> >> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
> >> matter and guides it by well established laws.
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> >> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> >> > effect of thought on experience.  Science can measure brain function
> >> > as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> >> > what it means to overall health.  There is a state in sleep and
> >> > waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> >> > enhanced because of it.
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> >> > On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> >> >> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> >> >> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion and
> >> >> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
> >> >> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
> >> >> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit pervades
> >> >> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the One
> >> >> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
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> >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart (the
> >> >> > one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if people
> >> >> > in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> >> >> > climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being is
> >> >> > adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life with
> >> >> > all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> >> >> > optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
> >> >> > discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> >> >> > internal environment than external and that our lives are lived from
> >> >> > inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> >> >> > continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for their
> >> >> > problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> >> >> > lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for the
> >> >> > answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without thinking.
> >> >> > Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> >> >> > effects the quality of our lives.
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> >> >> > On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about... so
> >> >> >> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really far
> >> >> >> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When you
> >> >> >> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> >> >> >> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously.. the
> >> >> >> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> >> >> >> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they still
> >> >> >> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined it..
> >> >> >> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different climate
> >> >> >> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> >> >> >> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> >> >> >> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in temperate
> >> >> >> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> >> >> >> areas...
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> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in the
> >> >> >> > early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> >> >> >> > Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> >> >> >> > later- and where are we?
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> >> >> >> > On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may have
> >> >> >> > > points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
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> >> >> >> > > On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> >> >> >> > > > unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book (80%
> >> >> >> > > > done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of reference
> >> >> >> > > > - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can usually
> >> >> >> > > > make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't really
> >> >> >> > > > decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are different
> >> >> >> > > > and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting if not
> >> >> >> > > > exhaustive:
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> >> >> >> > > > PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL & MORGAN 1979
> >> >> >> > > > PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
> >> >> >> > > > LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> >> >> >> > > > MULTIPLE REALITIES      JAMES1911
> >> >> >> > > > ALTERNATE REALITIES     CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
> >> >> >> > > > LANGUAGE STRUCTURES     WHORF 1956
> >> >> >> > > > PROBLEMATICS    ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
> >> >> >> > > > INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS      PIRSIG 1976
> >> >> >> > > > WORLD HYPOTHESES        PEPPER 1942; 1966
> >> >> >> > > > DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks)      FEYERABEND 1975
> >> >> >> > > > EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION SYSTEMS
> >> >> >> > > > (instrumental v life-world rationalities)       HABERMAS 1984
> >> >> >> > > > AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
> >> >> >> > > > FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
> >> >> >> > > > MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES      LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946:  MOSER 1989
> >> >> >> > > > SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY  WHITEHEAD 1969
> >> >> >> > > > METAPHOR        MORGAN 1986
> >> >> >> > > > TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION   BURRELL 1997
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> >> >> >> > > > A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and Einstein's
> >> >> >> > > > relativity and quantum theory.  Very dense work by Snell and Ludvig
> >> >> >> > > > disproves this IMHO.  I take a similar view and believe the problem is
> >> >> >> > > > we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to know
> >> >> >> > > > what we are talking about.  English Law does not allow the cabin boy
> >> >> >> > > > to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give him
> >> >> >> > > > the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
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> >> >> >> > > > Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their massive
> >> >> >> > > > thefts.  There arguments relies on many frames of reference.  In short
> >> >> >> > > > argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and never
> >> >> >> > > > losses.  I believe it would be moral to work out what they have lost
> >> >> >> > > > (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all bankers
> >> >> >> > > > since 1970.  Such clawback is in line with performance related pay
> >> >> >> > > > they claim to believe in.
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> >> >> >> > > > On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > > I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in Blazing
> >> >> >> > > > > Saddles:  http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
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> >> >> >> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > > > Do you think tired?
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> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy minded; unless
> >> >> >> > > > > > one is a fanatic.
> >> >> >> > > > > > It would seem that the silent majority can put up with a great deal before
> >> >> >> > > > > > they are spurred into action. It took attrocious Victorian exploitation to
> >> >> >> > > > > > create the socialist movement.
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> >> >> >> > > > > > Six days was an attempt at a bit of imaginative humour, really.
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> >> >> >> > > > > > On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:54:12 PM UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Why blame God? Seems to me the human race has been/is "tired".
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> >> >> >> > > > > > > On Jun 19, 1:04 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, God must have been a bit tired when he came up with the
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > learning-to-write trait. :)
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> >> >> >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Yes Gabby,
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> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > The human conditioning that lies with us on the blank table: our
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > evolutionary successful traits.Things that we can just do like learn
> >> >> >> > > > > > > to
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > talk. Not the hard things like learn to write.
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> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:07 PM UTC+12, gabbydott wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> Yes, I think I know what you are aiming at. That's why I have been
> >> >> >> > > > > > > saying
> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> time and time again that the blank table theory on which you put or
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