Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

Well, thank you and others for not jumping all over me for
heartlessness. Of course I have adapted to/cleaned up messes and
snoring during my lifetime- this recent incident really triggered a
dramatic response- maybe long overdue and rather than deal with it
directly I am using the "busy" disappearance routine- also called
"flight".//Sometimes my heart feels heavy or broken, other times light
and dancing but my entire body feels various emotional responses-
however, the adrenal gland or brain would not be much of a metaphor or
image on greeting cards, would it?

On Jun 26, 4:21 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
> it. It could be confused with love.
>
> Malc
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
> > When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
> > parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
> > little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
> > permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
> > thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
>
> > But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
> > too- you sly fox! :)
>
> > _pleease interpret as jovial_
>
> > On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> > > And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> The heart also responds to all the things you mention.  Our physical
> > >> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
> > >> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
> > >> regard.  Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
> > >> are in dynamic relationship.  The become one in paradox.
>
> > >> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
> > >>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
> > >>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
> > >>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
> > >>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
>
> > >>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> > >>>> effect of thought on experience.  Science can measure brain function
> > >>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> > >>>> what it means to overall health.  There is a state in sleep and
> > >>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> > >>>> enhanced because of it.
>
> > >>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> > >>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> > >>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
> > and
> > >>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
> > >>>>> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
> > >>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
> > pervades
> > >>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
> > One
> > >>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
> > (the
> > >>>>>> one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if
> > people
> > >>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> > >>>>>> climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being
> > is
> > >>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
> > with
> > >>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> > >>>>>> optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
> > >>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> > >>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
> > from
> > >>>>>> inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> > >>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
> > their
> > >>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> > >>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
> > the
> > >>>>>> answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without
> > thinking.
> > >>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> > >>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>
> > >>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
> > so
> > >>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
> > far
> > >>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
> > you
> > >>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> > >>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
> > the
> > >>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> > >>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
> > still
> > >>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
> > it..
> > >>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
> > climate
> > >>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> > >>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> > >>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
> > temperate
> > >>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> > >>>>>>> areas...
>
> > >>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
> > the
> > >>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> > >>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> > >>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
>
> > >>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
> > have
> > >>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> > >>>>>>>>>> unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book
> > (80%
> > >>>>>>>>>> done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
> > reference
> > >>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can
> > usually
> > >>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't
> > really
> > >>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
> > different
> > >>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting
> > if not
> > >>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
> >  MORGAN 1979
> > >>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
> > >>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> > >>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES      JAMES1911
> > >>>>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES     CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
> > >>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES     WHORF 1956
> > >>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS    ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
> > >>>>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS      PIRSIG 1976
> > >>>>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES        PEPPER 1942; 1966
> > >>>>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks)      FEYERABEND 1975
> > >>>>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION
> > SYSTEMS
> > >>>>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities)       HABERMAS 1984
> > >>>>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
> > >>>>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
> > >>>>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES      LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946:  MOSER
> > 1989
> > >>>>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY  WHITEHEAD 1969
> > >>>>>>>>>> METAPHOR        MORGAN 1986
> > >>>>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION   BURRELL 1997
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and
> > Einstein's
> > >>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory.  Very dense work by Snell and
> > Ludvig
> > >>>>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO.  I take a similar view and believe the
> > problem is
> > >>>>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to
> > know
> > >>>>>>>>>> what we are talking about.  English Law does not allow the
> > cabin boy
> > >>>>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give
> > him
> > >>>>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their
> > massive
> > >>>>>>>>>> thefts.  There arguments relies on many frames of reference.
> >  In short
> > >>>>>>>>>> argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and
> > never
> > >>>>>>>>>> losses.  I believe it would be moral to work out what they have
> > lost
> > >>>>>>>>>> (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all
> > bankers
> > >>>>>>>>>> since 1970.  Such clawback is in line with performance related
> > pay
> > >>>>>>>>>> they claim to believe in.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in
> > Blazing
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Saddles:  http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think tired?
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy
> > minded; unless
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> one is a fanatic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that the silent majority can put up with a
> > great deal before
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> they are spurred into action. It took attrocious Victorian
> > exploitation to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> create the socialist movement.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Six days was an attempt at a bit of imaginative humour,
> > really.
>
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