The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to it. It could be confused with love.
Malc
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
too- you sly fox! :)
_pleease interpret as jovial_
On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention. Our physical
>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
>> regard. Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
>> are in dynamic relationship. The become one in paradox.
>>
>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
>>>
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>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
>>>> effect of thought on experience. Science can measure brain function
>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
>>>> what it means to overall health. There is a state in sleep and
>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
>>>> enhanced because of it.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion and
>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level as to be insignificant ,
>>>>> and if you kill the brain even awareness which is the spiritual
>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit pervades
>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the One
>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart (the
>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.) It's kind of like asking if people
>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
>>>>>> climate. At some point in our development, because the human being is
>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life with
>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
>>>>>> optimal health. And, at some point in our development, we may
>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived from
>>>>>> inside out. Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for their
>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for the
>>>>>> answers. Our mind thinks. We can live and breathe without thinking.
>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about... so
>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really far
>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When you
>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously.. the
>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they still
>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined it..
>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different climate
>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in temperate
>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
>>>>>>> areas...
>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in the
>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may have
>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable. These moral issues form the core of my new book (80%
>>>>>>>>>> done). Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of reference
>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew. You can usually
>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything. You can't really
>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are different
>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable. The following were examples, exhausting if not
>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices) KUHN 1970; BURRELL& MORGAN 1979
>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING WITTGENSTEIN1922
>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES WITTGENSTEIN 1958
>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES JAMES1911
>>>>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES WHORF 1956
>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
>>>>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS PIRSIG 1976
>>>>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES PEPPER 1942; 1966
>>>>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks) FEYERABEND 1975
>>>>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION SYSTEMS
>>>>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities) HABERMAS 1984
>>>>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
>>>>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
>>>>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946: MOSER 1989
>>>>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY WHITEHEAD 1969
>>>>>>>>>> METAPHOR MORGAN 1986
>>>>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION BURRELL 1997
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and Einstein's
>>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory. Very dense work by Snell and Ludvig
>>>>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO. I take a similar view and believe the problem is
>>>>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to know
>>>>>>>>>> what we are talking about. English Law does not allow the cabin boy
>>>>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give him
>>>>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their massive
>>>>>>>>>> thefts. There arguments relies on many frames of reference. In short
>>>>>>>>>> argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and never
>>>>>>>>>> losses. I believe it would be moral to work out what they have lost
>>>>>>>>>> (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all bankers
>>>>>>>>>> since 1970. Such clawback is in line with performance related pay
>>>>>>>>>> they claim to believe in.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in Blazing
>>>>>>>>>>> Saddles: http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think tired?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy minded; unless
>>>>>>>>>>>> one is a fanatic.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that the silent majority can put up with a great deal before
>>>>>>>>>>>> they are spurred into action. It took attrocious Victorian exploitation to
>>>>>>>>>>>> create the socialist movement.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Six days was an attempt at a bit of imaginative humour, really.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:54:12 PM UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why blame God? Seems to me the human race has been/is "tired".
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 1:04 am, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True, God must have been a bit tired when he came up with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning-to-write trait. :)
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Gabby,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The human conditioning that lies with us on the blank table: our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolutionary successful traits.Things that we can just do like learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk. Not the hard things like learn to write.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:07 PM UTC+12, gabbydott wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think I know what you are aiming at. That's why I have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and time again that the blank table theory on which you put or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away the food for development is an unuseful construct. Even if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four legs, it still doesn't walk, so to speak. What I'd like to raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness for is that human conditioning starts before the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies on the table to be told and shown what is good and what is bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sense I'd agree that there is something "natural" in morality.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, pol.science kid wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so when you say 'the human condition makes me human'... the fact of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being human makes me human.?... and the conditions that be inform
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morality... now taking this and putting it on the dude from my
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
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