Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

Not a fan of country/blues music Vam?

On 6/26/2012 8:24 AM, Vam wrote:
> I don't enjoy insulting people ... but why shdn't they enjoy insulting
> themselves !
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> Or do they look forward to some kind of stroking...
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> On Jun 26, 5:20 pm, Vam<atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
>>> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
>>> it. It could be confused with love.
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>> And why kind it be true ?
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>> The kind of stupid one you are ?
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>> Building something you are safe with...
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>>> Malc
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>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>>>> When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
>>>> parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
>>>> little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
>>>> permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
>>>> thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
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>>>> But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
>>>> too- you sly fox! :)
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>>>> _pleease interpret as jovial_
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>>>> On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
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>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention. Our physical
>>>>>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
>>>>>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
>>>>>> regard. Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
>>>>>> are in dynamic relationship. The become one in paradox.
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>>>>>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
>>>>>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
>>>>>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
>>>>>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
>>>>>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
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>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
>>>>>>>> effect of thought on experience. Science can measure brain function
>>>>>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
>>>>>>>> what it means to overall health. There is a state in sleep and
>>>>>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
>>>>>>>> enhanced because of it.
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>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
>>>>>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
>>>>>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level as to be insignificant ,
>>>>>>>>> and if you kill the brain even awareness which is the spiritual
>>>>>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
>>>> pervades
>>>>>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
>>>> One
>>>>>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
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>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.) It's kind of like asking if
>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
>>>>>>>>>> climate. At some point in our development, because the human being
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
>>>>>>>>>> optimal health. And, at some point in our development, we may
>>>>>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
>>>>>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> inside out. Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
>>>>>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
>>>>>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> answers. Our mind thinks. We can live and breathe without
>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
>>>>>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
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>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
>>>>>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
>>>>>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
>>>> it..
>>>>>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
>>>>>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
>>>> temperate
>>>>>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
>>>>>>>>>>> areas...
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable. These moral issues form the core of my new book
>>>> (80%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done). Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
>>>> reference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew. You can
>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything. You can't
>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable. The following were examples, exhausting
>>>> if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices) KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
>>>> MORGAN 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING WITTGENSTEIN1922
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES WITTGENSTEIN 1958
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES JAMES1911
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES WHORF 1956
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS PIRSIG 1976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES PEPPER 1942; 1966
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks) FEYERABEND 1975
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION
>>>> SYSTEMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities) HABERMAS 1984
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946: MOSER
>>>> 1989
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY WHITEHEAD 1969
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> METAPHOR MORGAN 1986
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION BURRELL 1997
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and
>>>> Einstein's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory. Very dense work by Snell and
>>>> Ludvig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO. I take a similar view and believe the
>>>> problem is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to
>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we are talking about. English Law does not allow the
>>>> cabin boy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give
>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their
>>>> massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thefts. There arguments relies on many frames of reference.
>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and
>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losses. I believe it would be moral to work out what they have
>>>> lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all
>>>> bankers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 1970. Such clawback is in line with performance related
>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they claim to believe in.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in
>>>> Blazing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saddles: http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think tired?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy
>>>> minded; unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one is a fanatic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that the
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