Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

During my 'adult' spiritual development,,  very much with in the church, these papers were never  suggested or provided even though I was deeply involved with the RC church,  There were times that I was in very heavy access to the church living in direct supervision of Bishops. My experiences were well known to them.

Though I shared my experiences with them they only appointed stable older priest for spiritual advisers. .   non of which even suggested any reading only listened .. they provided some "Tests" to determine if I should become a priest,,  everything indicated  should not.. but rather continue on the path I was already on..  I can look back over the evolution since then and I agree.

Spiritually I think some times one needs to be on the out skirts of the major religions, I can not  help but wonder if being locked into dogma prevents spiritual expansion.

Allan

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

Many of the Roman Catholic saints and mystics write about the soul.
My favorite is probably St. John of the Cross, and his dark night of
the soul piece.  Still being studied centuries later.

On Jul 4, 4:46 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, I like the RV church ,,  but sorry no one has ever given that
> answer .. To me it is a question they want to avoid.
> It can be a reasonable examination ,  but the original sin leaves a lot of
> question to it's origin.
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> At sometime it may have been understood but lost deep in chuch archives..
> Allan

>  On Jul 4, 2012 10:09 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > The Roman Catholic sacrament of Baptism deals with the pre-existence
> > of the soul as it is intended to cleanse the soul of Original Sin-
> > which means the Church Fathers must have accepted the notion of the
> > soul's pre-existence to begin with.
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> > On Jul 4, 8:07 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am not sure how aggressive it is , the  concept has been floating
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> > > for eons.. christianity does not want to deal with the concept of a soul
> > > and its origin..  the preexistence of  soul is an idea they hide from.
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> > > the reality spirituality is a subject tip toe around and trying to use
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> > > words and say little..
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> > > As I view it, (it has been a struggle for me to arrive at this view
> > point.)
> > > this reality is only a way station in a spiritual existence. This is not
> > > the end stage. when we are born into this world our should give up their
> > > knowledge and are in effect are saying that we know how to live in a
> > > physical plain and raise ourselves to a higher spiritual level..  the
> > > highest being a level of complete harmony with the Entirety. (or God if
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> > > insist  but actually that is an incorrect concept.)
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> > > I believe the Tibetan Buddhist monks simply abandon the body to nature so
> > > it can complete its cycle and return to earth.  It is the soul that is of
> > > importance,   I really do not see much difference than the  the soul
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> > > reborn as...
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> > > On Jul 4, 2012 10:38 AM, "Vam" <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > This is aggressive stuff, Allan !  Thank you.
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> > > > The hardest thing in context is that we believe we are the body,
> > > > empirically. Hence, people find no one, no " I," no possibility of
> > > > anything even remotely akin or connected to our self, before the body
> > > > is born.
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> > > > Soul to such people is an obscure thing, conceptually and
> > > > phenomenally. We therefore find the suggestion, of a soul before the
> > > > child is born, fantastic. Ridiculous, in other
> > > > words.
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> > > > On Jul 4, 11:06 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > What is so hard about seeing the possibility of the soul existing
> > before
> > > > > the child is born?
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