Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

Farming and the domestication of herds drifted in from the Middle
East. 3000 years ago there were only barbarians living in what we call
Germany and Scotland.

On Aug 21, 3:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll get round to looking at your video Andrew.  My thought in the
> meantime concerns DNA evidence that supports the idea that farming was
> introduced to the country of my birth by people from what is now
> Germany 3000 years ago.  We Scots don't usually see that as part of
> our heritage.  Damn it!  I'm probably related to Gabby!
>
> On Aug 21, 11:19 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I find these kind of "truths" you quote to be man made "mathematical
> > definitions" that allways have constaints to them. Example, a square is
> > defined to have 4 equal lengths as long as it is on a flat plane surface.
> > And 2+2=4 as long as we are talking about 2 of the same things, like for
> > example apples. You are invited to see my video presentation about
> > mathematics. What do numbers have to tell us? How can we listen to them? See
> > YouTube video "Numbers Simplified".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4ZBzwbYqY.
>
> > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:10:55 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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> > > I've been reading some Thomas Hobbes lately and what he has to say on the
> > > nature of truth I think is valid here.
>
> > > It is absoultly true that a square is made up of four lines of equal
> > > length.  Indeed it is also absolutly true that 2 added to 2 equals 4.
>
> > > Of course thier are some objective truths out there.
>
> > > On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:56:27 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
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> > >> I do not think that there is any objective truth at all. Just like beauty
> > >> is in the eyes of the beholder, truth is in the mind of the beholder.
> > >> People regard something as true if they trust and have faith or believe in
> > >> the knowledge about that something. Because knowledge can never be complete
> > >> because nobody is perfect, truth can never be complete. Because trust is
> > >> subjective, truth is also subjective. Religion is a good example of this
> > >> with the many truths floating around. Science is another example of this
> > >> with the constant changing of knowledge.
> > >> On Friday, August 17, 2012 6:11:32 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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> > >>> Myself I think there are lots of differnt truths, both subjective and
> > >>> objective.  Problems arise though when we claim subjective truth as
> > >>> objective.  I guess it may be hard to sort which is which sometimes, but
> > >>> should we stop trying?
> > >>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:00:47 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
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> > >>>> Truth is truth for all times... not yours or mine, local or universal !
> > >>>> No, no, there no scorn or smirk I have while I'm releasing the reply... The
> > >>>> fact is that there isn't anybody who can offer something anywhere close to
> > >>>> this rigorous criteria. And, nobody cares, about that poverty... of truth,
> > >>>> in truth !
>
> > >>>> I just saw a response that seemed to equate the truth with crap... God
> > >>>> bless.
>
> > >>>> And, too, I saw Allan go on the defense, perhaps because the doubts did
> > >>>> creep in. Or, because he did not know what he was espousing from the start !
>
> > >>>> Yet, that is the only way forward. If one has not inched there, one has
> > >>>> been nowhere.
>
> > >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 7:04:59 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
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> > >>>>> But would that make it a universal truth or only your truth? (The
> > >>>>> sprouts root downwards.)
>
> > >>>>> On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> > Truth ... *sigh* ... is not in what we pick up in the book, what
> > >>>>> Momma
> > >>>>> > says, what 'great' men seem or say, not even in what I feel or think
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>> > know ... it is first and foremost in what I see and know of *my*
> > >>>>> self, sans
> > >>>>> > thoughts and meanings... in the way I am, within the body-mind
> > >>>>> structure,
> > >>>>> > and their sub-structures, the subconscious qualifications and
> > >>>>> attributes
> > >>>>> > that pre-load me and form and shape my emotions and will, my
> > >>>>> thoughts and
> > >>>>> > meanings, the knowledge I think I know, and the very idea I have of
> > >>>>> myself.
>
> > >>>>> > It's only after we've covered that distance upto ourself ... do we
> > >>>>> get the
> > >>>>> > perspective of the universal structures, material and mental, and
> > >>>>> its very
> > >>>>> > cause.
>
> > >>>>> > Truth ... is NEVER contradicted. One may be superseded by a higher,
> > >>>>> more
> > >>>>> > fundamental or universal one, but never contradicted.
>
> > >>>>> > There may not be a truth in our knowledge to accord with that
> > >>>>> rigorous
> > >>>>> > definition ! Even gravity gets contradicted by a little sprout ...
> > >>>>> it grows
> > >>>>> > upward !
>
> > >>>>> > On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
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> > >>>>> > > How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
>
> > >>>>> > > Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or the
> > >>>>> > > scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you
> > >>>>> are a human
> > >>>>> > > being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>
> > >>>>> > > I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of texts
> > >>>>> in the
> > >>>>> > > library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for,
> > >>>>> pointedly ?
>
> > >>>>> > > What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage single-minded
> > >>>>> in that
> > >>>>> > > process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another,
> > >>>>> and to be
> > >>>>> > > able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share it
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> > > others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe, the
> > >>>>> earth,
> > >>>>> > > environment, other beings and things, language, arts, economics,
> > >>>>> values
> > >>>>> > > system, and myself.
>
> > >>>>> > > The next important capacity is to love other people, not just my
> > >>>>> own
> > >>>>> > > offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they are
> > >>>>> useful to
> > >>>>> > > me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they
> > >>>>> represent, and
> > >>>>> > > for the values they embody on account of what they know. In fact,
> > >>>>> love
> > >>>>> > > isn't just directed towards individuals... it invariably includes
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> > > "good," life and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty, truth,
> > >>>>> honesty,
> > >>>>> > > freedom, expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
>
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