Mind's Eye Re: Different points of view are all true

Some will insist a cube is a square or twiddle with perspective.

When does absolute truth matter? Is truth forever subject to
correction? Who is the final authority of truth?

Eye witnesses are a weak defense. Justice makes mistakes.

People change their minds and feelings over time. (Think of divorce as
an example. I love you can become I hate you, etc.) Then truth becomes
a matter of taste or fancy rather than an objective reality.

Scientific truths are constantly subjected to corrections.

Outside of a short list, everything is up for grabs.



On Aug 22, 5:05 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes yes I get this, I don't agree but I get it.
>
> Some truth is subjective, and some is objective.  Whether you see the
> elephant as just the leg, the tusk the ear or the trunk is irrelevant to
> what the objective truth of the elephant is.  So your position colours your
> POV, this does not automaticaly make your POV valid.  It means only that
> you have not yet seen the thing from all angles.
>
> There is a problem with makeing statments of generalisations, they are
> inveriably wrong, as things really do not follow general principles.  To
> say for example 'I claim that all truths are subjective ONLY' is a massive
> mistake.  It takes only one tiny bit of evidance, logic or counter argument
> to show just one little objective truth, for that statement to be false.
> **
> I belive I have already shown that there exist objective truths, i.e. a
> square is made up of 4 equal lines.  Now feel free to counter that, good
> luck.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:31:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
> > I claim that all truths are subjective only. After all we only have our
> > own eyes and our own minds to obtain our own POVs and to claim what is true
> > and what is not. If your POV is from earth, then the sun goes around the
> > earth rising in the east and setting in the west. If you look on earth`s
> > motion from another POV, then the earth rotates around the sun. From the
> > universe`s POV, then it moves still in a different way. All are true,
> > depending on the POV.
>
> > On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:44:44 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> >> But that make no sense at all.  Like the blind men and the elephant,
> >> better to say that differnt seemingly contradictory POV's  may appear to be
> >> true.  However this is due to not having all of the data avaliable from
> >> which to make your mind up.  If it is objective truth you are talking about
> >> then a square cannot at the same time be discribed as a circle and yet
> >> remain true.  If it is subjective truth then this is due to one subjectivie
> >> position.
>
> >> On Tuesday, 21 August 2012 18:04:56 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> >>> The different paths of earth thru space is like the blind men describing
> >>> the elephant.
> >>> The density of the vacuum is like negatives of photographs.
> >>> We are talking about examples of different points of views of one thing
> >>> that give contradictory descriptions, and each description claiming to be
> >>> the true description.
>
> >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:49:38 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> >>>> Or differant points of view can all claim to be true even though
> >>>> enivitably only one is?
>
> >>>> It's sorta like the 5 blind men and the one elephant isn't it?
>
> >>>> Meh!  Bedsies just what kind of truths are we talking now?
>
> >>>> On Tuesday, 21 August 2012 16:30:01 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> >>>>> Different points of views can be all true. Comments and discussion
> >>>>> greatly appreciated
>
> >>>>> For example,
>
> >>>>>    - The earth does NOT rotate around sun.
> >>>>>    - The emptiness of a vacuum is more dense than the most dense
> >>>>>    matter.
> >>>>>    - atoms and their electrons have physical shapes that determine
> >>>>>    their characteristics.
>
> >>>>> In the essay below, it is argued that different points of view can all
> >>>>> be true.
>
> >>>>>  *Universe** centric point of view*
> >>>>> From an earth centric point of view, the sun and universe rotate
> >>>>> around the earth.
> >>>>> From a sun centric point of view, the earth rotates around the sun.
> >>>>> From a universe centric point of view, the earth does not rotate
> >>>>> around the sun but travels along with it in a sinusoidal swinging from side
> >>>>> to side but always going in a forward path. It never actually turns around
> >>>>> 360 degrees and goes the other way, like it does in the sun centric view.This repetitive swinging from one side of the sun to the other side appears
> >>>>> from the sun's point of view to be an orbital, but from a universal point
> >>>>> of view, it is sinusoidal. The earth is always being pushed towards the
> >>>>> sun. When it is on the front side of it, the push towards the sun acts to
> >>>>> decelerate it. When it is at the sun's back side, the push towards the sun
> >>>>> accelerates it forward. When it is on one side of the sun, the push towards
> >>>>> the sun pushes it towards the other side. The earth follows the sun like a
> >>>>> child running circles around his father as they are both walking. The earth
> >>>>> spins at 463 m/s at its equator making it look from our stationary earth
> >>>>> that the sun and the universe rotate around the earth.  The sun and
> >>>>> the earth travel 250 km/s thru the galaxy. The earth travels at 30 km/s
> >>>>> around the sun. That makes the earth's path thru space non orbital.
>
> >>>>> ***An inside-out point of view*
>
> >>>>> Everyday experience indicates that mass is denser than the space it
> >>>>> moves in. We are accustomed and taught to think that the fabric of our
> >>>>> space is a vacuum of nothing and the particles of mass in it are made from
> >>>>> matter. We are used to seeing matter as black solid balls moving in a white
> >>>>> empty space. This is analogous to solids and liquids in an environment of
> >>>>> air. The observed behavior of light, gravity and inertia of mass requires
> >>>>> that the surrounding fabric of space be much denser than the masses that
> >>>>> move around in it. It requires that mass be much less dense than space.
> >>>>> With an inside-out point of view, mass in space are like bubbles in a
> >>>>> liquid. It is like looking at the negatives of photographs.
>
> >>>>> *A** Mechanistic point of view**
> >>>>> *
> >>>>> By proposing shapes and motion to atoms that reflect forms and
> >>>>> movements observed in our everyday reality, an understanding of the
> >>>>> fundamental unobserved particles of our universe is attained. A mechanism
> >>>>> is proposed for the forces of gravity, inertia and the EM fields as well as
> >>>>> for electricity, magnetism and radiation, all reflecting mechanisms that we
> >>>>> see in our everyday reality. By this, an understanding of the fundamental
> >>>>> forces is attained.
>
> >>>>> For an animation of the earth`s motion thru space, see video at the 6
> >>>>> minute mark of the following video at.
> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMQwPpbO74
>
> >>>>> "As you go away from your sun you will see that the sun is moving thru
> >>>>> space ten times faster than the earth is moving around it. Then you will
> >>>>> finally see that the earth does not rotate around the sun like you once
> >>>>> thought it did but follows it with a wavering path going always forward and
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