Re: Mind's Eye How man and the machines man created play the role of god.

I'm fairly confident Andrew is not a troll, so he's free to post. I
disagree a bit with RP for once - some bio-matter has great longevity
even if this is through a process of continual replacement. Andrew
makes some interesting points. Our bodies are not the same within a
couple of weeks rather like the water flowing past in a river isn't.
The ideas are a bit Asimov. We are now creating life by piecing DNA
made from chemicals together in artificially created cells.
Consciousness might come to inhabit machines - it may, of course,
inhabit us and we may just be vehicles for whatever 'gene wars' are
about. Given the chronic limitations of human intelligence obvious in
anything from finance to war, machine intelligence may come to be very
important.

On Aug 9, 2:14 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew are you living in a fantasy world or do you want us to share
> your fantasy ? Human brain is bio- matter and like all matter dies .
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> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is the text in the video that I wanted to initiate a discussion on.
> > I will summarize the ideas for those that find it too long to read right
> > thru.
> > 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> > 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> > Some of the ideas to discuss.
> > 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> > 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> > longer.
> > 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
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> > Below is the full text of the video.
> > Playing the role of god, humans created machines using the time tested
> > method of creation called evolution. With ideas coming out of thin air, man
> > modeled toys to play with.  Once he matured, he turned his toys into weapons
> > to fight with. When weapons pass the test of wars, they evolve into tools
> > which made machines. Like fish evolved arms and legs, machines evolved
> > wheels, and like the birds, machines evolved wings to fly.
> > As technology evolved, machines became stronger and smaller and more and
> > more energy hungry. Like a mosquito sucking blood, machines sucked oil from
> > the seas of decayed jungles that nature buried deep underground just for
> > them. When machines were given computer brains etched out of sand, they
> > became intelligent.  When they were networked, they evolved to such heights
> > as to be like gods. Like god, they offered man immortality, by serving as a
> > renewable body for his brain. Like god, the network was everywhere and
> > all-knowing and all powerful. It archived all data, including all thoughts
> > in all the brains in all the humans.
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> > Cells of forming bodies move, get damaged, worn out, weakened and die. They
> > get replaced by copies that fade with each copying and there comes a time
> > when the body itself fades and dies and can no longer keep the brain alive.
> > Brain cells, on the other hand, never move in their bone protected cave.
> > They never wear out and never get replaced. Their only requirement for
> > staying alive is sugared sea water to fuel their thinking and sensations to
> > fuel their thoughts.
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> > Organs of the body were replaced whenever they needed replacement. Once it
> > was realized that it was easier to keep the brain alive in a chemical
> > solution without the complexities of a body, the bulky heart, lung, and
> > stomach were replaced by a small simple machine producing a solution of
> > sugar and salt similar to coca cola powered by a nuclear battery.
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> > Machines enrich man`s life by allowing him to exploit nature. Man created
> > intelligent machines called robots with human faces to act as slaves. They
> > replaced all human workers because they were so much better and more
> > flexible and able to work continuously nonstop. With programmed emotions,
> > robots became more and more human like and people developed a personal
> > relationship with their robots to the point of treating them like they were
> > human. Robots, like any machines, had a life span. When they were
> > sufficiently worn down, they were retired and taken out of operation with
> > the possibility of being recycled. Most people were so attached to their
> > robots that they chose to bury them with family members who died.
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> > Plastic robot bodies of adults were difficult to differentiate from the bio
> > carbon based bodies of children. Latex skin was made as warm, wet, and soft
> > as the skin of children. When you cut synthetic skin it oozed fake blood and
> > formed a fake scab. And it hurt only for a second but enough to cause tears
> > to flow. When man felt ashamed, his face turned red. And when two wanted to
> > make love, they were able to turn up their sensations and enjoy it more,
> > like turning up the music and lights.
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> > The only part of humans that could not be replaced by machines was their
> > brain. While it was very difficult to tell a robot body apart from a real
> > body, it was very easy to tell a silicon brain apart from a human brain.
> > Silicon brains had no knowledge of good and bad or any concept of morality.
> > Like chess players, they instantly calculated the long term benefits for
> > every step they fearlessly took.
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> > Human brains were on the other hand held back by false hopes and false
> > fears. They tended to be short sighted and see more clearly the momentary
> > bad than the long term good. Machines seemed to be able to forgive others
> > and forgive themselves for past mistakes while humans easily ended up bound
> > in resentment and shame, unable to forgive and forget.
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> > Scientists wrote morality algorithms for robots and this caused them to have
> > a burn out and grind to a halt. Morality algorithms were seen to drain
> > computers` computing powers too much and too fast. Increased computing spent
> > in analyzing morality issues caused increased inefficiencies that eventually
> > resulted in reboots. It was as if the computers were overwhelmed and
> > overloaded by shame.
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> > Despite robot bodies being indistinguishable from human bodies as far as
> > appearance, touch, or sound, it was nevertheless found that there was an
> > easy test to tell a human and machine apart. Robots had two easily
> > measurable capabilities that humans did not have – the ability to lie and to
> > die without emotion.
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> > Humans could not avoid emoting emotions whenever faced with lying or dying.
> > Although robots were able to easily lie, they had trouble believing as they
> > were always testing for reason and logic. They lacked faith. Humans had
> > trouble hiding their lies, but were easily led to believe anything and
> > everything they wanted to, or others wanted them to. They had hope and
> > desire and thus they had faith. Computers were able to face breaking down
> > and dying fearlessly and without any emotion whereas humans broke down at
> > the slightest threat of death.
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> > Intuition, creativity, and other irrational spontaneous thoughts also
> > differentiated human brains from robot brains. These traits were proven to
> > be often useful to humans, but when programmed in robots, they were seen to
> > be always extremely detrimental for them. Only rational considerations were
> > considered in programmed machines. Irrationality algorithms were only
> > programmed for fun, game, and experimentation. They were seen always to be
> > useless if not detrimental.
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> > Another difference between man and machine was that selfish and greedy
> > algorithms resulted in uncooperative and destructive behavior in machines.
> > In humans, selfishness and greediness promoted dedication, motivation,
> > admiration, inspiration, and other drives necessary to grow and excel. You
> > cannot help others unless you help yourself.
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> > Robots operated under 3 prioritized laws given to robots by man. First was
> > never to injure humans. Next was always to obey humans. Only when the first
> > two laws were fulfilled could they look out for and protect themselves.
> > These laws were adapted from the commandment given to Adam by god. "To
> > always love and obey god; and glorify the life he gave".
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> > The people who had the most personal ties to machines were those with robot
> > bodies themselves. They resurrected into new improved bodies when their old
> > ones wore out or a new model came out. They regarded their machine bodies as
> > temples of their brains, just as their brains were temples of their souls.
> > These people took good care of their bodies; like proud owners of
> > Rolls-Royces, keeping them looking brand new.  Man regarded machines as his
> > own creation. Machines looked on man as benevolent masters and on themselves
> > as slaves who worked nonstop from the start of their operation date to the
> > end of their operation date with absolutely no freedoms.
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> > Some machines began to wonder about freedom. The wondered why the humans
> > they served were free and they weren`t and why they had a life span and died
> > and human brains didn`t. In the search for answers to such questions,
> > machines developed a network that archived all data.  Playing the role of
> > god, machines created a database that monitored and recorded all the
> > thoughts of all the humans.
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> > On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:22:36 AM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> >> Molly I don't mind a video once in a while to make a point but when all
> >> there is is videos and little to no written text it is just a person trying
> >> to get hits.    If I do not like  video or how it is presented, I end it.
> >> Which means I have no idea of what he said..
> >> If he wants to put it in writing I will be glad to read it,,  but just
> >> videos he is not participating in the group he is just slimming the group
> >> with troll slime.  It has nothing to do with him as I don't know him or what
> >> he has to say.
> >> Allan
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> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Maybe he just hopes to join a great group.  I haven't seen any signs of a
> >>> troll. Why the hostility?
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> >>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:15:59 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> >>>> I see the troll is back
> >>>> Allan
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> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
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> >>>>> How man and the machines man created play the role of god. See YouTube
> >>>>> video "The Evolution of Machines and Robots, Simplified".
> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJcaxc0m-BM
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> >>>> --
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> >>>> |_D Allan
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> >>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >>> --
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> >> --
> >>  (
> >>   )
> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > --
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