Yes on the surface that looks easy enough but when you brake it down it starts to look a lot more complex.
Define Freind for a machine, define need, and define want. What are these things what do they mean to a machine?
Also that seems like alterism to nth degree, is that the same as caring? I care for my dad, I would not do much to help him out of any situtation though, not unless he expressly asked for my help.
Careing, prioritise, wants and needs all of thse things are subjective and bound to change from person to person, what does this mean for programing a machine?
On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:35:48 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
The algorithm for caring should be a simple one. Prioritize the needs and the wants of your friends as you see fit and act on them in the best way you can to help them without putting yourself in a situation that you end up needing help yourself. .--
On Monday, August 13, 2012 12:35:09 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:As of now? No, no you cannot.
On Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:33:26 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:Can you not program a machine to care?
On Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:26:08 PM UTC+2, rigsy03 wrote:Machines are indifferent.
On Aug 11, 3:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to your book web site and it locked my computer up, Probably my
> computer as it has extremely tight controls so that does not surprise me..
> simply put my computer does not like the web site that contains your book.
> I do not know the website so I will not over ride my computers judgement.
> (my computer at this point is still my servant having no live or will of
> its own.)
>
> What i did see of you book mainly index it seemed to be more of a course
> of your thoughts than a fiction.
>
> Personally I do not see the need to physically rebuild man. Now I have man
> made knees,, I know for a fact the pain is gone,, but there are heavy
> prices I have to pay for that loss of pain starting with the lack of
> mobility ... believe me it is not bed of rose peddles that are many
> thorns involved and many trade offs. All I can say is the pain is gone I
> can walk. I have to limit a lot of things I can do to protect these
> artificial knees..
>
> It seems that you believe if man can live longer his level of spirituality
> will improve. Be warned people who site references whether it be of their
> own book or the book book of some one else, I put in the category of
> being a book thumper, and in my view really do not know or really
> understand what they are talking about.. sometimes references are needed
> to demonstrate a point. That is a very fine line in my mind.
>
> I am not sure of what you are trying to say other than it will take man
> becoming a man machine in order to become a true spiritual being.
> Allan
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you Allen for your feedback. I have written a science fiction book
> > based on this idea.
> > "A Short History of a Long Future- A Guide for New-man" * Authored by
> > Andrew Vecsey
>
> > * Account of history and the future. Topics on physics, chemistry,
> > nutrition, biology are treated in a simplified form using analogies and
> > easy-to-understand language.
>
> > Humans destroy nature and re-invent it. They replace their bodies by
> > robots and achieve immortality by storing their brains in a centralized
> > safe haven called Heaven Inc.and by controlling their replaceable robot
> > bodies remotely. They find a new world and use a collection of best genes
> > from animals and plants to create a new life form called "New-man". They
> > teach New-man all they know, and in turn New man leads them to god.
>
> > This book is written to guide new-man much like our bible was written to
> > guide us. Written in a poetic and simplified style full with analogies, it
> > outlines the history of the universe and of mankind and of the physical and
> > social sciences and philosophy. It offers rational explanations of physical
> > laws of gravity, inertia and light as well as a rational answer to the
> > circular question of how a creator god came to be without being created.
>
> > Lives of famous people real and imaginary like the one who tamed fire, the
> > builder of the pyramids, Buddha, Attila, Khan, Gutenberg, Luther, Galileo,
> > Adam Smith, Marx, Hitler, and the developers of new technologies in our
> > future as well as the creator of new-man are described.
>
> > The entire book is available in an audio picture book format via YouTube
> > videos. The first chapter "Universe, man, and god appear" can be seen and
> > heard at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxzfIx4IHpE
>
> > The text for most of the book is found at
> >http://authonomy.com/books/21495/a-short-history-of-a- ..long-future-a-g.
> > Thanks again for your comments
>
> > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:33:55 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >> Okay a quick closer look and comments:
>
> >> 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> >> We have already done that in real life and is happening to day in many
> >> forms.
> >> 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> >> Machine are mostly designed to make our lives more comfortable. if your
> >> view of the world only lies within the concept ,, then yes a form of heaven
> >> on earth.
> >> Some of the ideas to discuss.
> >> 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> >> 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> >> longer.
> >> 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
> >> though I think all three of these topic have been dealt with in the Star
> >> Trek series "Enterprise" I am saying this just to show you that it is not
> >> new concepts and have been mauled over before.. Now that does not say the
> >> topic cannot be dealt with again in a different format say using a
> >> steampunk type format.. I am just getting into it as it is a fad the
> >> is going through the Netherlands.. with the characters showing up at the
> >> different festivals.. and the festivals are actually a relatively big
> >> thing here like being a Trekkie.
>
> >> potentially you could create a excellent novel,, either that or a total
> >> flop.. If it is good you could end up with a cult following.. may the lord
> >> have mercy on you lol
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:05 AM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> This is the text in the video that I wanted to initiate a discussion on.
> >>> I will summarize the ideas for those that find it too long to read right
> >>> thru.
> >>> 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> >>> 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> >>> Some of the ideas to discuss.
> >>> 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> >>> 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> >>> longer.
> >>> 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
>
> >>> Below is the full text of the video.
> >>> Playing the role of god, humans created machines using the time tested
> >>> method of creation called evolution. With ideas coming out of thin air, man
> >>> modeled *toys* to play with. Once he matured, he turned his toys into *weapons
> >>> *to fight with. When weapons pass the test of wars, they evolve into *tools
> >>> *which made *machines.* Like fish evolved arms and legs, machines
> >>> evolved *wheels*, and like the birds, machines evolved *wings *to fly.
> >>> As technology evolved, machines became stronger and smaller and more and
> >>> more energy hungry. Like a mosquito sucking blood, machines sucked oil from
> >>> the seas of decayed jungles that nature buried deep underground just for
> >>> them. When machines were given *computer *brains etched out of sand,
> >>> they became intelligent. When they were *networked*, they evolved to
> >>> such heights as to be like *gods*. Like god, they offered man
> >>> immortality, by serving as a renewable body for his brain. Like god, the
> >>> network was everywhere and all-knowing and all powerful. It archived all
> >>> data, including all thoughts in all the brains in all the humans.
>
> >>> Cells of forming bodies move, get damaged, worn out, weakened and die.
> >>> They get replaced by copies that fade with each copying and there comes a
> >>> time when the body itself fades and dies and can no longer keep the brain
> >>> alive. Brain cells, on the other hand, never move in their bone protected
> >>> cave. They never wear out and never get replaced. Their only requirement
> >>> for staying alive is sugared sea water to fuel their thinking and
> >>> sensations to fuel their thoughts.
>
> >>> Organs of the body were replaced whenever they needed replacement. Once
> >>> it was realized that it was easier to keep the brain alive in a chemical
> >>> solution without the complexities of a body, the bulky heart, lung, and
> >>> stomach were replaced by a small simple machine producing a solution of
> >>> sugar and salt similar to coca cola powered by a nuclear battery.
>
> >>> Machines enrich man`s life by allowing him to exploit nature. Man
> >>> created intelligent machines called robots with human faces to act as
> >>> slaves. They replaced all human workers because they were so much better
> >>> and more flexible and able to work continuously nonstop. With programmed
> >>> emotions, robots became more and more human like and people developed a
> >>> personal relationship with their robots to the point of treating them like
> >>> they were human. Robots, like any machines, had a life span. When they were
> >>> sufficiently worn down, they were retired and taken out of operation with
> >>> the possibility of being recycled. Most people were so attached to their
> >>> robots that they chose to bury them with family members who died.
>
> >>> Plastic robot bodies of adults were difficult to differentiate from the
> >>> bio carbon based bodies of children. Latex skin was made as warm, wet, and
> >>> soft as the skin of children. When you cut synthetic skin it oozed fake
> >>> blood and formed a fake scab. And it hurt only for a second but enough to
> >>> cause tears to flow. When man felt ashamed, his face turned red. And when
> >>> two wanted to make love, they were able to turn up their sensations and
> >>> enjoy it more, like turning up the music and lights.
>
> >>> The only part of humans that could not be replaced by machines was their
> >>> brain. While it was very difficult to tell a robot body apart from a real
> >>> body, it was very easy to tell a silicon brain apart from a human brain.
> >>> Silicon brains had no knowledge of good and bad or any concept of morality.
> >>> Like chess players, they instantly calculated the long term benefits for
> >>> every step they fearlessly took.
>
> >>> Human brains were on the other hand held back by false hopes and false
> >>> fears. They tended to be short sighted and see more clearly the momentary
> >>> bad than the long term good. Machines seemed to be able to forgive others
> >>> and forgive themselves for past mistakes while humans easily ended up bound
> >>> in resentment and shame, unable to forgive and forget.
>
> >>> Scientists wrote *morality algorithms* for robots and this caused them
> >>> to have a burn
>
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