Re: Mind's Eye How man and the machines man created play the role of god.

Andrew are you living in a fantasy world or do you want us to share
your fantasy ? Human brain is bio- matter and like all matter dies .

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the text in the video that I wanted to initiate a discussion on.
> I will summarize the ideas for those that find it too long to read right
> thru.
> 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> Some of the ideas to discuss.
> 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> longer.
> 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
>
> Below is the full text of the video.
> Playing the role of god, humans created machines using the time tested
> method of creation called evolution. With ideas coming out of thin air, man
> modeled toys to play with. Once he matured, he turned his toys into weapons
> to fight with. When weapons pass the test of wars, they evolve into tools
> which made machines. Like fish evolved arms and legs, machines evolved
> wheels, and like the birds, machines evolved wings to fly.
> As technology evolved, machines became stronger and smaller and more and
> more energy hungry. Like a mosquito sucking blood, machines sucked oil from
> the seas of decayed jungles that nature buried deep underground just for
> them. When machines were given computer brains etched out of sand, they
> became intelligent. When they were networked, they evolved to such heights
> as to be like gods. Like god, they offered man immortality, by serving as a
> renewable body for his brain. Like god, the network was everywhere and
> all-knowing and all powerful. It archived all data, including all thoughts
> in all the brains in all the humans.
>
> Cells of forming bodies move, get damaged, worn out, weakened and die. They
> get replaced by copies that fade with each copying and there comes a time
> when the body itself fades and dies and can no longer keep the brain alive.
> Brain cells, on the other hand, never move in their bone protected cave.
> They never wear out and never get replaced. Their only requirement for
> staying alive is sugared sea water to fuel their thinking and sensations to
> fuel their thoughts.
>
> Organs of the body were replaced whenever they needed replacement. Once it
> was realized that it was easier to keep the brain alive in a chemical
> solution without the complexities of a body, the bulky heart, lung, and
> stomach were replaced by a small simple machine producing a solution of
> sugar and salt similar to coca cola powered by a nuclear battery.
>
> Machines enrich man`s life by allowing him to exploit nature. Man created
> intelligent machines called robots with human faces to act as slaves. They
> replaced all human workers because they were so much better and more
> flexible and able to work continuously nonstop. With programmed emotions,
> robots became more and more human like and people developed a personal
> relationship with their robots to the point of treating them like they were
> human. Robots, like any machines, had a life span. When they were
> sufficiently worn down, they were retired and taken out of operation with
> the possibility of being recycled. Most people were so attached to their
> robots that they chose to bury them with family members who died.
>
> Plastic robot bodies of adults were difficult to differentiate from the bio
> carbon based bodies of children. Latex skin was made as warm, wet, and soft
> as the skin of children. When you cut synthetic skin it oozed fake blood and
> formed a fake scab. And it hurt only for a second but enough to cause tears
> to flow. When man felt ashamed, his face turned red. And when two wanted to
> make love, they were able to turn up their sensations and enjoy it more,
> like turning up the music and lights.
>
> The only part of humans that could not be replaced by machines was their
> brain. While it was very difficult to tell a robot body apart from a real
> body, it was very easy to tell a silicon brain apart from a human brain.
> Silicon brains had no knowledge of good and bad or any concept of morality.
> Like chess players, they instantly calculated the long term benefits for
> every step they fearlessly took.
>
> Human brains were on the other hand held back by false hopes and false
> fears. They tended to be short sighted and see more clearly the momentary
> bad than the long term good. Machines seemed to be able to forgive others
> and forgive themselves for past mistakes while humans easily ended up bound
> in resentment and shame, unable to forgive and forget.
>
> Scientists wrote morality algorithms for robots and this caused them to have
> a burn out and grind to a halt. Morality algorithms were seen to drain
> computers` computing powers too much and too fast. Increased computing spent
> in analyzing morality issues caused increased inefficiencies that eventually
> resulted in reboots. It was as if the computers were overwhelmed and
> overloaded by shame.
>
> Despite robot bodies being indistinguishable from human bodies as far as
> appearance, touch, or sound, it was nevertheless found that there was an
> easy test to tell a human and machine apart. Robots had two easily
> measurable capabilities that humans did not have – the ability to lie and to
> die without emotion.
>
> Humans could not avoid emoting emotions whenever faced with lying or dying.
> Although robots were able to easily lie, they had trouble believing as they
> were always testing for reason and logic. They lacked faith. Humans had
> trouble hiding their lies, but were easily led to believe anything and
> everything they wanted to, or others wanted them to. They had hope and
> desire and thus they had faith. Computers were able to face breaking down
> and dying fearlessly and without any emotion whereas humans broke down at
> the slightest threat of death.
>
> Intuition, creativity, and other irrational spontaneous thoughts also
> differentiated human brains from robot brains. These traits were proven to
> be often useful to humans, but when programmed in robots, they were seen to
> be always extremely detrimental for them. Only rational considerations were
> considered in programmed machines. Irrationality algorithms were only
> programmed for fun, game, and experimentation. They were seen always to be
> useless if not detrimental.
>
> Another difference between man and machine was that selfish and greedy
> algorithms resulted in uncooperative and destructive behavior in machines.
> In humans, selfishness and greediness promoted dedication, motivation,
> admiration, inspiration, and other drives necessary to grow and excel. You
> cannot help others unless you help yourself.
>
> Robots operated under 3 prioritized laws given to robots by man. First was
> never to injure humans. Next was always to obey humans. Only when the first
> two laws were fulfilled could they look out for and protect themselves.
> These laws were adapted from the commandment given to Adam by god. "To
> always love and obey god; and glorify the life he gave".
>
> The people who had the most personal ties to machines were those with robot
> bodies themselves. They resurrected into new improved bodies when their old
> ones wore out or a new model came out. They regarded their machine bodies as
> temples of their brains, just as their brains were temples of their souls.
> These people took good care of their bodies; like proud owners of
> Rolls-Royces, keeping them looking brand new. Man regarded machines as his
> own creation. Machines looked on man as benevolent masters and on themselves
> as slaves who worked nonstop from the start of their operation date to the
> end of their operation date with absolutely no freedoms.
>
> Some machines began to wonder about freedom. The wondered why the humans
> they served were free and they weren`t and why they had a life span and died
> and human brains didn`t. In the search for answers to such questions,
> machines developed a network that archived all data. Playing the role of
> god, machines created a database that monitored and recorded all the
> thoughts of all the humans.
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:22:36 AM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:
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>> Molly I don't mind a video once in a while to make a point but when all
>> there is is videos and little to no written text it is just a person trying
>> to get hits. If I do not like video or how it is presented, I end it.
>> Which means I have no idea of what he said..
>> If he wants to put it in writing I will be glad to read it,, but just
>> videos he is not participating in the group he is just slimming the group
>> with troll slime. It has nothing to do with him as I don't know him or what
>> he has to say.
>> Allan
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>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Maybe he just hopes to join a great group. I haven't seen any signs of a
>>> troll. Why the hostility?
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>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:15:59 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
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>>>> I see the troll is back
>>>> Allan
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>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> How man and the machines man created play the role of god. See YouTube
>>>>> video "The Evolution of Machines and Robots, Simplified".
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJcaxc0m-BM
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