Ah, didn't you know that English is a German dialect? If you are related to Gabby that would make you a Cuz Neil welcome to the family..
lol
The spread of culture is really fascinating,, what is puzzling me is what occurred to end the bronze age.
Allan
On Aug 21, 2012 10:46 PM, "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
-- I'll get round to looking at your video Andrew. My thought in the
meantime concerns DNA evidence that supports the idea that farming was
introduced to the country of my birth by people from what is now
Germany 3000 years ago. We Scots don't usually see that as part of
our heritage. Damn it! I'm probably related to Gabby!
On Aug 21, 11:19 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I find these kind of "truths" you quote to be man made "mathematical
> definitions" that allways have constaints to them. Example, a square is
> defined to have 4 equal lengths as long as it is on a flat plane surface.
> And 2+2=4 as long as we are talking about 2 of the same things, like for
> example apples. You are invited to see my video presentation about
> mathematics. What do numbers have to tell us? How can we listen to them? See
> YouTube video "Numbers Simplified".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4ZBzwbYqY.
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> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:10:55 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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> > I've been reading some Thomas Hobbes lately and what he has to say on the
> > nature of truth I think is valid here.
>
> > It is absoultly true that a square is made up of four lines of equal
> > length. Indeed it is also absolutly true that 2 added to 2 equals 4.
>
> > Of course thier are some objective truths out there.
>
> > On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:56:27 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
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> >> I do not think that there is any objective truth at all. Just like beauty
> >> is in the eyes of the beholder, truth is in the mind of the beholder.
> >> People regard something as true if they trust and have faith or believe in
> >> the knowledge about that something. Because knowledge can never be complete
> >> because nobody is perfect, truth can never be complete. Because trust is
> >> subjective, truth is also subjective. Religion is a good example of this
> >> with the many truths floating around. Science is another example of this
> >> with the constant changing of knowledge.
> >> On Friday, August 17, 2012 6:11:32 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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> >>> Myself I think there are lots of differnt truths, both subjective and
> >>> objective. Problems arise though when we claim subjective truth as
> >>> objective. I guess it may be hard to sort which is which sometimes, but
> >>> should we stop trying?
> >>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:00:47 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
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> >>>> Truth is truth for all times... not yours or mine, local or universal !
> >>>> No, no, there no scorn or smirk I have while I'm releasing the reply... The
> >>>> fact is that there isn't anybody who can offer something anywhere close to
> >>>> this rigorous criteria. And, nobody cares, about that poverty... of truth,
> >>>> in truth !
>
> >>>> I just saw a response that seemed to equate the truth with crap... God
> >>>> bless.
>
> >>>> And, too, I saw Allan go on the defense, perhaps because the doubts did
> >>>> creep in. Or, because he did not know what he was espousing from the start !
>
> >>>> Yet, that is the only way forward. If one has not inched there, one has
> >>>> been nowhere.
>
> >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 7:04:59 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >>>>> But would that make it a universal truth or only your truth? (The
> >>>>> sprouts root downwards.)
>
> >>>>> On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > Truth ... *sigh* ... is not in what we pick up in the book, what
> >>>>> Momma
> >>>>> > says, what 'great' men seem or say, not even in what I feel or think
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> > know ... it is first and foremost in what I see and know of *my*
> >>>>> self, sans
> >>>>> > thoughts and meanings... in the way I am, within the body-mind
> >>>>> structure,
> >>>>> > and their sub-structures, the subconscious qualifications and
> >>>>> attributes
> >>>>> > that pre-load me and form and shape my emotions and will, my
> >>>>> thoughts and
> >>>>> > meanings, the knowledge I think I know, and the very idea I have of
> >>>>> myself.
>
> >>>>> > It's only after we've covered that distance upto ourself ... do we
> >>>>> get the
> >>>>> > perspective of the universal structures, material and mental, and
> >>>>> its very
> >>>>> > cause.
>
> >>>>> > Truth ... is NEVER contradicted. One may be superseded by a higher,
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> > fundamental or universal one, but never contradicted.
>
> >>>>> > There may not be a truth in our knowledge to accord with that
> >>>>> rigorous
> >>>>> > definition ! Even gravity gets contradicted by a little sprout ...
> >>>>> it grows
> >>>>> > upward !
>
> >>>>> > On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
>
> >>>>> > > Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or the
> >>>>> > > scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you
> >>>>> are a human
> >>>>> > > being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>
> >>>>> > > I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of texts
> >>>>> in the
> >>>>> > > library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for,
> >>>>> pointedly ?
>
> >>>>> > > What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage single-minded
> >>>>> in that
> >>>>> > > process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another,
> >>>>> and to be
> >>>>> > > able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share it
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> > > others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe, the
> >>>>> earth,
> >>>>> > > environment, other beings and things, language, arts, economics,
> >>>>> values
> >>>>> > > system, and myself.
>
> >>>>> > > The next important capacity is to love other people, not just my
> >>>>> own
> >>>>> > > offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they are
> >>>>> useful to
> >>>>> > > me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they
> >>>>> represent, and
> >>>>> > > for the values they embody on account of what they know. In fact,
> >>>>> love
> >>>>> > > isn't just directed towards individuals... it invariably includes
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> > > "good," life and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty, truth,
> >>>>> honesty,
> >>>>> > > freedom, expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
>
> >>>>> > > What else or more, as it is with you ?- Hide quoted text -
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