Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

The Iron Age? Earthquakes. Defeats in war due to better weapons and/or
strategy (asymetrics). Various other catastophes of nature and human
stupidity.

On Aug 22, 1:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, didn't you know that  English is a German dialect?  If you are related
> to Gabby that would make you a Cuz Neil  welcome to the family..
> lol
> The spread of culture is really fascinating,,  what is puzzling me is what
> occurred to end the bronze age.
> Allan
> On Aug 21, 2012 10:46 PM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'll get round to looking at your video Andrew.  My thought in the
> > meantime concerns DNA evidence that supports the idea that farming was
> > introduced to the country of my birth by people from what is now
> > Germany 3000 years ago.  We Scots don't usually see that as part of
> > our heritage.  Damn it!  I'm probably related to Gabby!
>
> > On Aug 21, 11:19 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I find these kind of "truths" you quote to be man made "mathematical
> > > definitions" that allways have constaints to them. Example, a square is
> > > defined to have 4 equal lengths as long as it is on a flat plane surface.
> > > And 2+2=4 as long as we are talking about 2 of the same things, like for
> > > example apples. You are invited to see my video presentation about
> > > mathematics. What do numbers have to tell us? How can we listen to them?
> > See
> > > YouTube video "Numbers Simplified".
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4ZBzwbYqY.
>
> > > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:10:55 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> > > > I've been reading some Thomas Hobbes lately and what he has to say on
> > the
> > > > nature of truth I think is valid here.
>
> > > > It is absoultly true that a square is made up of four lines of equal
> > > > length.  Indeed it is also absolutly true that 2 added to 2 equals 4.
>
> > > > Of course thier are some objective truths out there.
>
> > > > On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:56:27 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> > > >> I do not think that there is any objective truth at all. Just like
> > beauty
> > > >> is in the eyes of the beholder, truth is in the mind of the beholder.
> > > >> People regard something as true if they trust and have faith or
> > believe in
> > > >> the knowledge about that something. Because knowledge can never be
> > complete
> > > >> because nobody is perfect, truth can never be complete. Because trust
> > is
> > > >> subjective, truth is also subjective. Religion is a good example of
> > this
> > > >> with the many truths floating around. Science is another example of
> > this
> > > >> with the constant changing of knowledge.
> > > >> On Friday, August 17, 2012 6:11:32 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>
> > > >>> Myself I think there are lots of differnt truths, both subjective and
> > > >>> objective.  Problems arise though when we claim subjective truth as
> > > >>> objective.  I guess it may be hard to sort which is which sometimes,
> > but
> > > >>> should we stop trying?
> > > >>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:00:47 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Truth is truth for all times... not yours or mine, local or
> > universal !
> > > >>>> No, no, there no scorn or smirk I have while I'm releasing the
> > reply... The
> > > >>>> fact is that there isn't anybody who can offer something anywhere
> > close to
> > > >>>> this rigorous criteria. And, nobody cares, about that poverty... of
> > truth,
> > > >>>> in truth !
>
> > > >>>> I just saw a response that seemed to equate the truth with crap...
> > God
> > > >>>> bless.
>
> > > >>>> And, too, I saw Allan go on the defense, perhaps because the doubts
> > did
> > > >>>> creep in. Or, because he did not know what he was espousing from
> > the start !
>
> > > >>>> Yet, that is the only way forward. If one has not inched there, one
> > has
> > > >>>> been nowhere.
>
> > > >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 7:04:59 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> But would that make it a universal truth or only your truth? (The
> > > >>>>> sprouts root downwards.)
>
> > > >>>>> On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> > Truth ... *sigh* ... is not in what we pick up in the book, what
> > > >>>>> Momma
> > > >>>>> > says, what 'great' men seem or say, not even in what I feel or
> > think
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> > know ... it is first and foremost in what I see and know of *my*
> > > >>>>> self, sans
> > > >>>>> > thoughts and meanings... in the way I am, within the body-mind
> > > >>>>> structure,
> > > >>>>> > and their sub-structures, the subconscious qualifications and
> > > >>>>> attributes
> > > >>>>> > that pre-load me and form and shape my emotions and will, my
> > > >>>>> thoughts and
> > > >>>>> > meanings, the knowledge I think I know, and the very idea I have
> > of
> > > >>>>> myself.
>
> > > >>>>> > It's only after we've covered that distance upto ourself ... do
> > we
> > > >>>>> get the
> > > >>>>> > perspective of the universal structures, material and mental, and
> > > >>>>> its very
> > > >>>>> > cause.
>
> > > >>>>> > Truth ... is NEVER contradicted. One may be superseded by a
> > higher,
> > > >>>>> more
> > > >>>>> > fundamental or universal one, but never contradicted.
>
> > > >>>>> > There may not be a truth in our knowledge to accord with that
> > > >>>>> rigorous
> > > >>>>> > definition ! Even gravity gets contradicted by a little sprout
> > ...
> > > >>>>> it grows
> > > >>>>> > upward !
>
> > > >>>>> > On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> > > How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
>
> > > >>>>> > > Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or
> > the
> > > >>>>> > > scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you
> > > >>>>> are a human
> > > >>>>> > > being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>
> > > >>>>> > > I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of
> > texts
> > > >>>>> in the
> > > >>>>> > > library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for,
> > > >>>>> pointedly ?
>
> > > >>>>> > > What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage
> > single-minded
> > > >>>>> in that
> > > >>>>> > > process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another,
> > > >>>>> and to be
> > > >>>>> > > able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share
> > it
> > > >>>>> with
> > > >>>>> > > others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe,
> > the
> > > >>>>> earth,
> > > >>>>> > > environment, other beings and things, language, arts,
> > economics,
> > > >>>>> values
> > > >>>>> > > system, and myself.
>
> > > >>>>> > > The next important capacity is to love other people, not just
> > my
> > > >>>>> own
> > > >>>>> > > offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they
> > are
> > > >>>>> useful to
> > > >>>>> > > me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they
> > > >>>>> represent, and
> > > >>>>> > > for the values they embody on account of what they know. In
> > fact,
> > > >>>>> love
> > > >>>>> > > isn't just directed towards individuals... it invariably
> > includes
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> > > "good," life and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty,
> > truth,
> > > >>>>> honesty,
> > > >>>>> > > freedom, expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
>
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