Allan
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-- On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:06 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
Producing crap is one by-product of the speaking-MY-mind-clear programme, I say.
--> Do you find it advisable to speak your mind more often or to just smile
> while wading through the hooey? I find it a crap shoot, but any advice?
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> On 8/15/2012 3:32 AM, gabbydott wrote:
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>> Actually, I like the phenomenal view too. Then I start breaking it down
>> into accessible units. That's how I come up with my matters of fact. It
>> always amazes me how others come up with their facts and how these facts
>> fit into my factual pattern. The truth, if you wish.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com
>> <mailto:atewari2007@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Couldn't disagree with a word of what you said. It's sickening how
>> they parrot calls for "lasting peace" and cannot have a larger
>> expanse than their family or own body ,,, than their daily dime or a
>> lifetime !
>>
>> The promised morality and ethics of the rationalist, materialist,
>> and that pitiable bundle of confusion called "relativist" is more a
>> delusion or pious wish, in actual effect. Because morals cannot be
>> derived from the phenomena; they are matters of fact evident to the
>> universal and dilated witness... the truth.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:40:27 PM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
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>> Realistically Vam the Western world including Islamist have
>> fallen under the spell of christian fundamentalism and the "Have
>> you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. That is all
>> that is needed to get into heaven.." under there dogma nothing
>> else is needed.. it seems all of the western beliefs have come
>> up with some form of excuse that allows one to have bad behavior
>> and still get into heaven..
>>
>> No wonder why there are so many atheist and agnostics as That is
>> in reality a pretty hard piece of crap to buy., especially to a
>> person that is thinking, not looking for an excuse behave badly.
>> passing the buck sort of speaking. Suicide bombers when they
>> stand in judgement of themselves are are going to feel the pain
>> of taking their life and realize those they have killed is
>> murder against the rules.. or the extreme wealthy that are
>> causing people to suffer because of their greed.. what happens
>> when they find that their wealth has no value in the spiritual
>> world and they find their souls alone and empty.
>>
>> In a way I hope I am wrong, as everyone is responsible to live
>> life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner. This is what is
>> required for the souls spiritual development and advancement.
>> Unfortunately many of the churches and spiritual leaders don't
>> realize and are more interested in their own promotion. It is
>> sad because the basic guideline is actually well know,, either
>> added to or distorted to fit the desire of those they are
>> dealing with.. I really do not know how to say that because it
>> really ends up jumping into peoples beliefs.
>>
>> Everyone on their death finds their own spiritual level because
>> the becomes totally to the light.. hmm maybe that is where all
>> the ghost you hear about but people who just can not accept
>> or believe reality even in this world or is it they are trying
>> to create their own reality.
>>
>> simply put there is no army of God (or what ever name you chose
>> to call him) and heaven is just what you create
>> by your behavior. it all boils down to the question have you
>> lived your life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner.
>> Allan
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>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Vam <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> *Let me push through one "ridiculous" instance of what it is
>> to be human, of his capacity to know ...*
>>
>> * Is there life after death ? " What will happen to me after
>> death ?"*
>>
>>
>> <http://vamadevananda.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/journal-atharva-veda-part-iii/sanyo-digital-camera-4/>
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>> *These questions seem irrelevant while one is alive and
>>
>> doing well for oneself, in a position to power our way
>> through life and the world before us. But then, who is to
>> restrain us from being whimsical or cruel, unjust and
>> uncaring ? It must be ourselves, for the law allows much
>> transgression in ethics and rarely concerns itself with
>> morals. And, scouring through history or looking about us
>> for how resourceful people behave, it is easy to conclude
>> that men are poor, almost disabled, at doing the job of
>> keeping themselves under their own leash.*
>>
>> *On the other hand, if it were established that there is
>>
>> life after death, that we shall be put to account for our
>> actions in life, the knowledge would have a profound bearing
>> on how we conduct ourselves here and now.*
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>> I believe most humans do not want to believe that this could
>> be a fact and, indeed, fervently hope they would NOT have to
>> live with the "moral" consequences of their intent and deeds
>> on their conscience even after they've breathed their last !
>>
>> But we've heard of cries of truth being "outlandish" before !
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>> On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:56:25 PM UTC+5:30, Allan
>> Heretic wrote:
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>> we (docs and me) monitor it regularly,, major problem
>> is a language one ,, we are not sure just what to
>> do.. i am sure it will all work out.. I have been
>> dealing with it for years Rigsy.. not worried besides
>> it is fun to drive doc nuts..
>> Allan
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>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:35 PM, rigsy03
>> <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Just take those meds religiously. Have you tried
>> doing things with
>> your left hand if you are right-handed? Even like
>> brushing your teeth
>> or unlocking a door, etc.- it builds new synapses.
>> You are in good
>> company- Alexander and Caesar had epilipsy- maybe
>> you've lost nothing!
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>> On Aug 13, 12:00 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Very interesting,, I do know that because of my
>> epilepsy that part of my
>> > brain is weak and malfunctions. neural activity is
>> > very fascinating especially when it effects you
>> in daily life.. there is
>> > damage from the epileptic activity.
>> >
>> > worlds change believe me.. but i wonder what I
>> have lost.
>> > Allan
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>> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM, gabbydott
>> <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I share your fears, which is why suggest a
>> limbo competition in which
>> > > you need to lower the bar.
>> >
>> > > So here is my video link for you as a sign of
>> understanding you:
>> >
>> >
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>> >http://www.ted.com/talks/vs___r__amachandran_the_neurons_that___s__haped_civi.
>> <http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civi.>..
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>> > > Am I close?
>> >
>> > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Vam
>> <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I believe, people who put in their 2 cents on
>> this thread were already
>> > > > daunted by my rules... no regurgitating other
>> people's thoughts.
>> >
>> > > > What's more basic than the topic : Are you a
>> human being ? In what way,
>> > > over
>> > > > and above what animals do ? And, all the
>> brilliant minds here are
>> > > > struggling...
>> >
>> > > > I am afraid, raising the bar into non-dual
>> will simply crash on them !
>> > > So...
>> >
>> > > > Mind Eyers ! Let me ask yet again...
>> >
>> > > > Are you a human being, over and above the
>> animal ways ?
>> >
>> > > > What do you think is so difficult about the
>> topic ?
>> >
>> > > > On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29:47 PM
>> UTC+5:30, Molly wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> Moving in spirit, and outside the realm of
>> time, is non dual, and
>> > > >> therefore, also outside the realm of cause
>> and effect. I think when we
>> > > are
>> > > >> moving in spirit, and centered in a non dual
>> view, we have integrated
>> > > >> entirely. It does not mean time and cause
>> and effect do not exist. It
>> > > >> means that our viewpoint transcends, and
>> therefore our external and
>> > > internal
>> > > >> experience of life transcends also. I love
>> this Joseph Campbell quote:
>> > > >> "We can't rid the world of sorrow, but we
>> can choose to live in joy ...
>> > > The
>> > > >> Bodhisattva participates joyfully in the
>> sorrows of the world." Maybe,
>> > > >> being human is the journey there (the view
>> we bring into the world) and
>> > > back
>> > > >> again (after being completely submersed in
>> the world). Siddhartha.
>> >
>> > > >> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:32:15 AM
>> UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>> I think the nature of man as we know it is
>> really not going to change
>> > > >>> much, there will be time of better behavior
>> and times of less desirable
>> > > >>> behavior. Other than for the development of
>> the soul into a greater
>> > > being in
>> > > >>> closer connection with the Entirety.
>> > > >>> Every soul has complete free choice in its
>> development and progression.
>> >
>> > > >>> It is the relationship with the Entirety
>> that is important.. some
>> > > people
>> > > >>> seek this connection through wealth and
>> greed, others through war and
>> > > >>> destruction.. What ever path that is
>> chosen it will have effects on
>> > > the
>> > > >>> soul.. and none of them actually effect the
>> immortality of its
>> > > existence.
>> > > >>> The soul is already eternal whether people
>> believe it or not, even
>> > > that
>> > > >>> does not matter.
>> >
>> > > >>> Darma tells us that life is for moral,
>> ethical and truthful living.
>> > > Karma
>> > > >>> tells us there are effect to be expected
>> from our actions.. karma does
>> > > not
>> > > >>> tell us when though. This can be a problem
>> because of my
>> > > understanding in
>> > > >>> the spiritual realm there is no time.
>> > > >>> Allan
>> >
>> > > >>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Vam
>> <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>> If mere being raised by human beings, and
>> being a part of their
>> > > family,
>> > > >>>> is the criterion... I'm afraid, even dogs
>> and cats can lay a claim to
>> > > being
>> > > >>>> human.
>> >
>> > > >>>> #BrainIsNotTheMind
>> > > >>>> I've never held in hand or dived into the
>> brain 2 connect neurones, or
>> > > >>>> throttle endocrine glands, 2 deal with
>> matters in the mind !
>> >
>> > > >>>> And, to those who continue to primacy to
>> the animal in man ... I've
>> > > not
>> > > >>>> known of any animal devising 84 different,
>> well thought out positions
>> > > to
>> > > >>>> copulate, or prepare thousands of distinct
>> food preparations and still
>> > > >>>> distinguish their flavours enough to write
>> volumes on each !
>> >
>> > > >>>> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09:24 AM
>> UTC+5:30, AmandaRheen wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>> I guess the only thing that really allows
>> me to know that I am a
>> > > human
>> > > >>>>> being is that I was born into and grew up
>> within a family of
>> > > creatures who
>> > > >>>>> identified themselves and me as human
>> beings. Then as reinforcement
>> > > of this
>> > > >>>>> idea I attended large communal gatherings
>> at regular intervals with
>> > > others
>> > > >>>>> who generally looked and acted the same
>> as myself. Occassionally the
>> > > >>>>> creatures in charge would take great
>> pains to demand that we act
>> > > like human
>> > > >>>>> beings, not like animals hehe. Mostly
>> from these experiences I have
>> > > learned
>> > > >>>>> to identify myself as 'human being'.
>> > > >>>>> As far as considering myself 'apart' from
>> other animals I'm not
>> > > sure I
>> > > >>>>> really attended that class. Perhaps I
>> played hooky that day and was
>> > > off
>> > > >>>>> riding my horse through the bush with our
>> two dogs. Granted some of
>> > > the
>> > > >>>>> human being creatures I knew would tell
>> me we were apart from other
>> > > >>>>> creatures but my own human being family
>> seemed less concerned about
>> > > this
>> > > >>>>> distinction and more concerned with
>> showing other creatures great
>> > > care and
>> > > >>>>> respect in return for the loyalty and
>> co-operation they gave in their
>> > > >>>>> interaction with us. Sure we
>> occasionally ate one of them but
>> > > animals have
>> > > >>>>> their own ways of levelling the field
>> when they really feel like it.
>> > > I
>> > > >>>>> concede though none of them ever actually
>> ate me.
>> >
>> > > >>>> --
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>> > > >>> |_D Allan
>> >
>> > > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful
>> living.
>> >
>> > > > --
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>> > |_D Allan
>> >
>> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.-
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