Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

But.. the highlander series was pretty cool.

On 8/21/2012 4:46 PM, archytas wrote:
> I'll get round to looking at your video Andrew. My thought in the
> meantime concerns DNA evidence that supports the idea that farming was
> introduced to the country of my birth by people from what is now
> Germany 3000 years ago. We Scots don't usually see that as part of
> our heritage. Damn it! I'm probably related to Gabby!
>
> On Aug 21, 11:19 am, andrew vecsey<andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I find these kind of "truths" you quote to be man made "mathematical
>> definitions" that allways have constaints to them. Example, a square is
>> defined to have 4 equal lengths as long as it is on a flat plane surface.
>> And 2+2=4 as long as we are talking about 2 of the same things, like for
>> example apples. You are invited to see my video presentation about
>> mathematics. What do numbers have to tell us? How can we listen to them? See
>> YouTube video "Numbers Simplified".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4ZBzwbYqY.
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>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:10:55 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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>>> I've been reading some Thomas Hobbes lately and what he has to say on the
>>> nature of truth I think is valid here.
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>>> It is absoultly true that a square is made up of four lines of equal
>>> length. Indeed it is also absolutly true that 2 added to 2 equals 4.
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>>> Of course thier are some objective truths out there.
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>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:56:27 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
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>>>> I do not think that there is any objective truth at all. Just like beauty
>>>> is in the eyes of the beholder, truth is in the mind of the beholder.
>>>> People regard something as true if they trust and have faith or believe in
>>>> the knowledge about that something. Because knowledge can never be complete
>>>> because nobody is perfect, truth can never be complete. Because trust is
>>>> subjective, truth is also subjective. Religion is a good example of this
>>>> with the many truths floating around. Science is another example of this
>>>> with the constant changing of knowledge.
>>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 6:11:32 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
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>>>>> Myself I think there are lots of differnt truths, both subjective and
>>>>> objective. Problems arise though when we claim subjective truth as
>>>>> objective. I guess it may be hard to sort which is which sometimes, but
>>>>> should we stop trying?
>>>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:00:47 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
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>>>>>> Truth is truth for all times... not yours or mine, local or universal !
>>>>>> No, no, there no scorn or smirk I have while I'm releasing the reply... The
>>>>>> fact is that there isn't anybody who can offer something anywhere close to
>>>>>> this rigorous criteria. And, nobody cares, about that poverty... of truth,
>>>>>> in truth !
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>>>>>> I just saw a response that seemed to equate the truth with crap... God
>>>>>> bless.
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>>>>>> And, too, I saw Allan go on the defense, perhaps because the doubts did
>>>>>> creep in. Or, because he did not know what he was espousing from the start !
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>>>>>> Yet, that is the only way forward. If one has not inched there, one has
>>>>>> been nowhere.
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>>>>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 7:04:59 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
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>>>>>>> But would that make it a universal truth or only your truth? (The
>>>>>>> sprouts root downwards.)
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>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, Vam<atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Truth ... *sigh* ... is not in what we pick up in the book, what
>>>>>>> Momma
>>>>>>>> says, what 'great' men seem or say, not even in what I feel or think
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> know ... it is first and foremost in what I see and know of *my*
>>>>>>> self, sans
>>>>>>>> thoughts and meanings... in the way I am, within the body-mind
>>>>>>> structure,
>>>>>>>> and their sub-structures, the subconscious qualifications and
>>>>>>> attributes
>>>>>>>> that pre-load me and form and shape my emotions and will, my
>>>>>>> thoughts and
>>>>>>>> meanings, the knowledge I think I know, and the very idea I have of
>>>>>>> myself.
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>>>>>>>> It's only after we've covered that distance upto ourself ... do we
>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>> perspective of the universal structures, material and mental, and
>>>>>>> its very
>>>>>>>> cause.
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>>>>>>>> Truth ... is NEVER contradicted. One may be superseded by a higher,
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> fundamental or universal one, but never contradicted.
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>>>>>>>> There may not be a truth in our knowledge to accord with that
>>>>>>> rigorous
>>>>>>>> definition ! Even gravity gets contradicted by a little sprout ...
>>>>>>> it grows
>>>>>>>> upward !
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>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
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>>>>>>>>> Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or the
>>>>>>>>> scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you
>>>>>>> are a human
>>>>>>>>> being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
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>>>>>>>>> I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of texts
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for,
>>>>>>> pointedly ?
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>>>>>>>>> What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage single-minded
>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>>>> process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another,
>>>>>>> and to be
>>>>>>>>> able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share it
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe, the
>>>>>>> earth,
>>>>>>>>> environment, other beings and things, language, arts, economics,
>>>>>>> values
>>>>>>>>> system, and myself.
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>>>>>>>>> The next important capacity is to love other people, not just my
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they are
>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>> me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they
>>>>>>> represent, and
>>>>>>>>> for the values they embody on account of what they know. In fact,
>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>> isn't just directed towards individuals... it invariably includes
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> "good," life and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty, truth,
>>>>>>> honesty,
>>>>>>>>> freedom, expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
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