with in the religious book there are many valid ideas.. per say lets not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Allan
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-- On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
When it comes to interpreting text one can make The Wizard of Oz into
an allegory of the 1890s depression and desires to move off the gold
standard and onto silver (the ruby slippers of the film were silver in
the original text and Broadway production) - google Wiki for varying
accounts. I tend to doubt text as the basis for living.
On Aug 15, 1:47 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah gabby,, during that era story tellers were how history was handed
> down.. The adaptions are really of no surprises.. you have to make the
> story better.. a little touch here a little touch there pretty soon you
> have a great story like harry potter oops I mean the new testament and
> old testament for that matter.
> i think with some meditation that the concepts the Jesus was boils down to
> that 'life is for moral ethical and truthful living' in every great story
> there are elements of truth separating them is another question.. Ideally
> religions should be guiding people toward living life in a proper manner
> ... That is not bad we have far to many politicians and bankers and
> the list goes on teaching them differently.. and actions is the
> greatest teacher .. there are hard times coming but the torch of truth is
> still burning ,, faintly but it is still burning.
> Allan
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> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:52 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have been taught to read the holy scriptures with the same level of
> > respect as fairy tales. You might say that this is the basis of my truth
> > education. Leadership and power were too static words to be used in this
> > context. But of course, they are applicable.
>
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Truth is Vam leadership of government have distorted beliefs to have them
> >> read what they want it to read. It is to their benefit to do what they are
> >> doing ,, so i doubt if they will ever change,, mostly because it would be
> >> extremely embarrassing to the people involved to correct their concepts..
>
> >> it is difficult as you have to take all of saul of tarsus 'paul's' and
> >> question the validity of them.. He is considered an apostle on the basis
> >> of a so called miracle of him on Malta being held by 'God" from the bite of
> >> a poisonous snake the problem there is there are no poisonous snakes on
> >> Malta,, If it is based on his moment of enlightenment where he was knocked
> >> of his horse and the incident sounds about right.. if that is what gives
> >> him the validity of being an apostle then I am also an apostle because i
> >> have experienced several events of this type (I am not treated as an
> >> apostle,, lol but then I don't think I would really like that either. ,,
> >> and they really do not listen especially when they have been asked and
> >> questioned about it.. they claim validity based on the age of his
> >> letters.. not trying to correct the issue.. I do not disagree with them
> >> change is and can be extremely difficult.. I could see them allowing
> >> beliefs with the correct point of view.. but that would eliminate Jesus
> >> being God.. ouch that is a tough one as it is the basis of their beliefs..
> >> they are no longer valid... and they lose their power..
>
> >> Islam well was talking with a friend that out of curiosity he said the
> >> only thing he found on the dress code for women was that they needed to
> >> keep their breast and bottoms covered so a bra and panties actually cover
> >> the requirements of the Qur'an. then again they want to justify murder
> >> by ignoring the laws and guidance of the religious systems they openly
> >> admit the Qur'an is based off of..
>
> >> The latest question I am finding is though christianity is well known for
> >> the conversion of pagan holidays (christmas is a good example) now there
> >> is evidence of or rather questions about the similarity with the (my mind
> >> is failing me) or another belief system that started over 1500 years
> >> earlier... problems problems
>
> >> I do believe and still believe that Jesus son of Mary is among the
> >> greatest spiritual leaders the world has ever known.. it is difficult
> >> to separate the added garbage from the actual teachings,, but it is all
> >> about power.
> >> Allan
>
> >>>>> *Let me push through one "ridiculous" instance of what it is to be> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Couldn't disagree with a word of what you said. It's sickening how they
> >>> parrot calls for "lasting peace" and cannot have a larger expanse than
> >>> their family or own body ,,, than their daily dime or a lifetime !
>
> >>> The promised morality and ethics of the rationalist, materialist, and
> >>> that pitiable bundle of confusion called "relativist" is more a delusion or
> >>> pious wish, in actual effect. Because morals cannot be derived from the
> >>> phenomena; they are matters of fact evident to the universal and dilated
> >>> witness... the truth.
>
> >>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:40:27 PM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >>>> Realistically Vam the Western world including Islamist have fallen
> >>>> under the spell of christian fundamentalism and the "Have you
> >>>> accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. That is all that is needed
> >>>> to get into heaven.." under there dogma nothing else is needed.. it seems
> >>>> all of the western beliefs have come up with some form of excuse that
> >>>> allows one to have bad behavior and still get into heaven..
>
> >>>> No wonder why there are so many atheist and agnostics as That is in
> >>>> reality a pretty hard piece of crap to buy., especially to a person that is
> >>>> thinking, not looking for an excuse behave badly. passing the buck sort of
> >>>> speaking. Suicide bombers when they stand in judgement of themselves are
> >>>> are going to feel the pain of taking their life and realize those they
> >>>> have killed is murder against the rules.. or the extreme wealthy that are
> >>>> causing people to suffer because of their greed.. what happens when they
> >>>> find that their wealth has no value in the spiritual world and they
> >>>> find their souls alone and empty.
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> >>>> In a way I hope I am wrong, as everyone is responsible to live life in
> >>>> a moral, ethical and truthful manner. This is what is required for the
> >>>> souls spiritual development and advancement. Unfortunately many of the
> >>>> churches and spiritual leaders don't realize and are more interested in
> >>>> their own promotion. It is sad because the basic guideline is actually well
> >>>> know,, either added to or distorted to fit the desire of those they are
> >>>> dealing with.. I really do not know how to say that because it really ends
> >>>> up jumping into peoples beliefs.
>
> >>>> Everyone on their death finds their own spiritual level because the
> >>>> becomes totally to the light.. hmm maybe that is where all the ghost you
> >>>> hear about but people who just can not accept or believe reality even in
> >>>> this world or is it they are trying to create their own reality.
>
> >>>> simply put there is no army of God (or what ever name you chose to call
> >>>> him) and heaven is just what you create by your behavior. it all boils down
> >>>> to the question have you lived your life in a moral, ethical and truthful
> >>>> manner.
> >>>> Allan
>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Vam <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> human, of his capacity to know ...*
>
> >>>>> * Is there life after death ? " What will happen to me after death ?"*
>
> >>>>> <http://vamadevananda.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/journal-atharva-veda-pa...>
>
> >>>>> *These questions seem irrelevant while one is alive and doing well
> >>>>> for oneself, in a position to power our way through life and the world> >>>>> the job of keeping themselves under their own leash.*
> >>>>> before us. But then, who is to restrain us from being whimsical or cruel,
> >>>>> unjust and uncaring ? It must be ourselves, for the law allows much
> >>>>> transgression in ethics and rarely concerns itself with morals. And,
> >>>>> scouring through history or looking about us for how resourceful people
> >>>>> behave, it is easy to conclude that men are poor, almost disabled, at doing
>
> >>>>> *On the other hand, if it were established that there is life after
> >>>>> death, that we shall be put to account for our actions in life, the> >>>>> and now.*
> >>>>> knowledge would have a profound bearing on how we conduct ourselves here
> ...> >>>>> I believe most humans do not want to believe that this could be a fact
> >>>>> and, indeed, fervently hope they would NOT have to live with the "moral"
> >>>>> consequences of their intent and deeds on their conscience even after
> >>>>> they've breathed their last !
>
> >>>>> But we've heard of cries of truth being "outlandish" before !
>
> >>>>> On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:56:25 PM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >>>>>> we (docs and me) monitor it regularly,, major problem is a language
> >>>>>> one ,, we are not sure just what to do.. i am sure it will all work
> >>>>>> out.. I have been dealing with it for years Rigsy.. not worried besides
> >>>>>> it is fun to drive doc nuts..
> >>>>>> Allan
>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:35 PM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Just take those meds religiously. Have you tried doing things with
> >>>>>>> your left hand if you are right-handed? Even like brushing your teeth
> >>>>>>> or unlocking a door, etc.- it builds new synapses. You are in good
> >>>>>>> company- Alexander and Caesar had epilipsy- maybe you've lost
> >>>>>>> nothing!
>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 13, 12:00 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > Very interesting,, I do know that because of my epilepsy that part
> >>>>>>> of my
> >>>>>>> > brain is weak and malfunctions. neural activity is
> >>>>>>> > very fascinating especially when it effects you in daily life..
> >>>>>>> there is
> >>>>>>> > damage from the epileptic activity.
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> >>>>>>> > worlds change believe me.. but i wonder what I have lost.
> >>>>>>> > Allan
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> >>>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > > I
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