Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

I don`t understand what you find wrong with people referencing their own insight and feeling to be right, well read and articulate. We all see everything only thru our own eyes and hear everything thru our own ears. And in the end we all see and hear what we want to see and hear. What is so wrong with that. That is why we have eyes and ears and wants. Because of that, there is a bit of truth to every viewpoint. Everyone`s view point has worthy.
In my opinion, laziness and curiosity are not opposites but contemplate each other. Laziness allows people to contently contemplate about things in their hammock while the others are busy doing mostly unnecessary physical activities like working.

"The brain is only 2% of the weight of a body but uses 20% of the energy, about 20 Watts worth. 60 minutes of heavy thinking burns about 100 calories. This is about the same as 15 minutes of moving furniture or 30 minutes of washing dishes.By working like your work was a game, you save a great deal of time and money. The more time you save the more time you have to spend on your most important gift and your greatest talent; thinking." Taken from YouTube video "The art of work and play, Simplified". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgAtlTnWi30

On Sunday, August 12, 2012 12:25:49 AM UTC+2, Vam wrote:
Believe me, Allan, I found your and Molly's most in reference to your own insights.

What appalls me is this constant feel amongst members to be right... to say things impressive, usually coupled with that vain sense of being seen as well-read and articulate.

Every bit of all that would have not mattered if people still went on to express what they know and, at the time of writing, could vouch for its truth. 

And I wouldn't even broach that other cause : laziness, the very opposite of curiosity. 

Lassitude, of course, is understandable.

On Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:24:58 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:

Van people always are always referring to what others have said.

Okay what makes me human and  above animals is simply ability to cross over the time space barrier.
Sorry that's an upchucking of transcendentalism
Allan

On Aug 11, 2012 8:58 PM, "Vam" <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe, people who put in their 2 cents on this thread were already daunted by my rules... no regurgitating other people's thoughts. 

What's more basic than the topic : Are you a human being ? In what way, over and above what animals do ? And, all the brilliant minds here are struggling...

I am afraid, raising the bar into non-dual will simply crash on them ! So...
                                                                                                                            
Mind Eyers !  Let me ask yet again...                                                              
                                                                                                      
Are you a human being, over and above the animal ways ?     
                                                                                                                            
What do you think is so difficult about the topic ?                                             
                                                                                                        


On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC+5:30, Molly wrote:
Moving in spirit, and outside the realm of time, is non dual, and therefore, also outside the realm of cause and effect. I think when we are moving in spirit, and centered in a non dual view, we have integrated entirely.  It does not mean time and cause and effect do not exist.  It means that our viewpoint transcends, and therefore our external and internal experience of life transcends also.  I love this Joseph Campbell quote:   "We can't rid the world of sorrow, but we can choose to live in joy ... The Bodhisattva participates joyfully in the sorrows of the world."  Maybe, being human is the journey there (the view we bring into the world) and back again (after being completely submersed in the world).  Siddhartha. 

On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:32:15 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I think the nature of man as we know it is really not going to change much, there will be time of better behavior and times of less desirable behavior. Other than for the development of the soul into a greater being in closer connection with the Entirety.
Every soul has complete free choice in its development and progression. 

It is the relationship with the Entirety that is important..  some people seek this connection through wealth and greed, others through war and destruction..  What ever path that is chosen it will have effects on the soul.. and none of them actually effect the immortality of its existence. The soul is already eternal whether people believe it or not,  even that does not matter.

Darma tells us that life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Karma tells us there are effect to be expected from our actions.. karma does not tell us when though. This can be a problem  because of my understanding in the spiritual realm there is no time.
Allan

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Vam <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
If mere being raised by human beings, and being a part of their family, is the criterion... I'm afraid, even dogs and cats can lay a claim to being human.

I've never held in hand or dived into the brain 2 connect neurones, or throttle endocrine glands, 2 deal with matters in the mind ! 

And, to those who continue to primacy to the animal in man ... I've not known of any animal devising 84 different, well thought out positions to copulate, or prepare thousands of distinct food preparations and still distinguish their flavours enough to write volumes on each !

On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09:24 AM UTC+5:30, AmandaRheen wrote:
I guess the only thing that really allows me to know that I am a human being is that I was born into and grew up within a family of creatures who identified themselves and me as human beings.  Then as reinforcement of this idea I attended large communal gatherings at regular intervals with others who generally looked and acted the same as myself.  Occassionally the creatures in charge would take great pains to demand that we act like human beings, not like animals hehe.  Mostly from these experiences I have learned to identify myself as 'human being'.
As far as considering myself  'apart' from other animals I'm not sure I really attended that class. Perhaps I played hooky that day and was off riding my horse through the bush with our two dogs.  Granted some of the human being creatures I knew would tell me we were apart from other creatures but my own human being family seemed less concerned about this distinction and more concerned with showing other creatures great care and respect in return for the loyalty and co-operation they gave in their interaction with us.  Sure we occasionally ate one of them but animals have their own ways of levelling the field when they really feel like it.  I concede though none of them ever actually ate me.  

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