Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

I am a biologist. I go along with James, with the proviso that I take
my dog out so he can read his newspaper and commune with his fellow
beasts - the newspaper for Max is written in 'nose' and fellow beasts
include children, Sue's cats and, at night time, misparked shopping
trolleys become an enemy. I like the lad and he communes rather well.
I'm not at all sure we are human in Vam's sense until we recognise
just how gene-driven we are - but I don't particularly mean an
understanding of the biology from science. I came across a paedophile
case recently in which the removal of his brain tumour cured the
criminal behaviour. One can see from this that dud biology affects
thinking and action. Chimps exhibit something like religious
behaviour. Around the world, cultures create what we regard as mad
behaviour. Our own madness is economics as war by other means. The
vast majority of human behaviour is sub-conscious as social animals.
I don't think we have achieved humanity and won't until we can break
with hierarchy exercising control fraud. In rat terms, we need to
move from alpha to gamma leadership - the latter manage without
domination.

On Aug 11, 9:54 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Van people always are always referring to what others have said.
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> Okay what makes me human and  above animals is simply ability to cross over
> the time space barrier.
> Sorry that's an upchucking of transcendentalism
> Allan
> On Aug 11, 2012 8:58 PM, "Vam" <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > *I believe, people who put in their 2 cents on this thread were already
> > daunted by my rules... no regurgitating other people's thoughts. *
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> > *What's more basic than the topic : Are you a human being ? In what way,
> > over and above what animals do ? And, all the brilliant minds here are
> > struggling...*
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> > *I am afraid, raising the bar into non-dual will simply crash on them !
> > So...*
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> >                                                     *
> > Mind Eyers !  Let me ask yet again...
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> > Are you a human being, over and above the animal ways ?
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> > What do you think is so difficult about the topic ?
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> > On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC+5:30, Molly wrote:
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> >> Moving in spirit, and outside the realm of time, is non dual, and
> >> therefore, also outside the realm of cause and effect. I think when we are
> >> moving in spirit, and centered in a non dual view, we have integrated
> >> entirely.  It does not mean time and cause and effect do not exist.  It
> >> means that our viewpoint transcends, and therefore our external and
> >> internal experience of life transcends also.  I love this Joseph Campbell
> >> quote:   "*We can't rid the world of sorrow, but we can choose to live
> >> in joy ... The Bodhisattva participates joyfully in the sorrows of the
> >> world."  *Maybe, being human is the journey there (the view we bring
> >> into the world) and back again (after being completely submersed in the
> >> world).  Siddhartha.
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> >> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:32:15 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> >>> I think the nature of man as we know it is really not going to change
> >>> much, there will be time of better behavior and times of less desirable
> >>> behavior. Other than for the development of the soul into a greater being
> >>> in closer connection with the Entirety.
> >>> Every soul has complete free choice in its development and progression.
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> >>> It is the relationship with the Entirety that is important..  some
> >>> people seek this connection through wealth and greed, others through war
> >>> and destruction..  What ever path that is chosen it will have effects on
> >>> the soul.. and none of them actually effect the immortality of
> >>> its existence. The soul is already eternal whether people believe it or
> >>> not,  even that does not matter.
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> >>> Darma tells us that life is for moral, ethical and truthful
> >>> living. Karma tells us there are effect to be expected from our actions..
> >>> karma does not tell us when though. This can be a problem  because of my
> >>> understanding in the spiritual realm there is no time.
> >>> Allan
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> >>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Vam <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> If mere being raised by human beings, and being a part of their family,
> >>>> is the criterion... I'm afraid, even dogs and cats can lay a claim to being
> >>>> human.
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> >>>> #*BrainIsNotTheMind*<https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23BrainIsNotTheMind&src=hash>
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> >>>> I've never held in hand or dived into the brain 2 connect neurones, or
> >>>> throttle endocrine glands, 2 deal with matters in the mind !
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> >>>> And, to those who continue to primacy to the animal in man ... I've not
> >>>> known of any animal devising 84 different, well thought out positions to
> >>>> copulate, or prepare thousands of distinct food preparations and still
> >>>> distinguish their flavours enough to write volumes on each !
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> >>>> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09:24 AM UTC+5:30, AmandaRheen wrote:
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> >>>>> I guess the only thing that really allows me to know that I am a human
> >>>>> being is that I was born into and grew up within a family of creatures who
> >>>>> identified themselves and me as human beings.  Then as reinforcement of
> >>>>> this idea I attended large communal gatherings at regular intervals with
> >>>>> others who generally looked and acted the same as myself.  Occassionally
> >>>>> the creatures in charge would take great pains to demand that we act like
> >>>>> human beings, not like animals hehe.  Mostly from these experiences I have
> >>>>> learned to identify myself as 'human being'.
> >>>>> As far as considering myself  'apart' from other animals I'm not sure
> >>>>> I really attended that class. Perhaps I played hooky that day and was off
> >>>>> riding my horse through the bush with our two dogs.  Granted some of the
> >>>>> human being creatures I knew would tell me we were apart from other
> >>>>> creatures but my own human being family seemed less concerned about this
> >>>>> distinction and more concerned with showing other creatures great care and
> >>>>> respect in return for the loyalty and co-operation they gave in their
> >>>>> interaction with us.  Sure we occasionally ate one of them but animals have
> >>>>> their own ways of levelling the field when they really feel like it.  I
> >>>>> concede though none of them ever actually ate me.
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> >>>>  --
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> >>> --
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> >>> |_D Allan
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> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >>>   --

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