Re: Mind's Eye Re: Matter

What you think and do is you as a organism that is responsible , but
you the organism are made of matter and it is from matter that all
enterprise arise , as such all your actions arise from the working of
your body and brain which also reacts to the outside environment.
Through CBT it is the organism which is repairing itself and you are
the puppet in the hands of this material body. You are the Front but
are made to feel that you are all in all.
Thoughts and actions arise from bio-chemical activity and the self is
under the impression that he is free.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay there are two points on this.
>
> Yes of course genetic predisposition exists, but you make a mistake when you
> claim the strengh of it. It could be that a man is predisposed to cancer.
> What this means is it is more likely that as he gets older his chance of
> some cells becomeing cancerous is higher then the man who has no genetic
> predisposition towards cancer; what it is not, is a 100% garentee.
>
> In a similar vein it may be that I am predisposed towards my choice in child
> rearing, but this is not a garentee that I will never smack my child.
> Genetic predisposition, not genetic garentee.
>
> Secondly.
>
> Yes all thought arises as a concequences of the mechanics of the brain, how
> can it be otherwise. Yet what CBT does and meditaion and a hell of a lot of
> mind exsercises is to elicit a physical change within the brain to complete
> a physcolgical change. You have a circular effect happing. Thought is made
> by the mechanics of the brain, we know that damage to the brain causes
> changes to the pyscology of the human. Yet the tought 'I wish to change'
> can make a physical change to the brain. Change to will in accordance with
> will.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 13 August 2012 17:12:33 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> Whatever we think and whatever we do arises as a consequence of neural
>> activity which precede the thought processes or rather the thought
>> processes are a projection of this activity. When we are offered
>> psycho-therapy our brain reacts to it first and the thought process is
>> just the consequence , the efforts we make are a result of brain
>> activity which precede them. What are we without our genes ? just
>> nothing! What are we without the universe ? again nothing !
>> Predisposition is just that, an inclination, without which there is no
>> beginning. You have to start from somewhere and you don't do that from
>> scratch , you have your predisposition.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Sorry RP, I have to call bullshit on this as you know I would.
>> >
>> >
>> > You talk about genetic predisposition and envirmental learning as if
>> > these
>> > are rock solid. Let us for just a second remember the power of words
>> > and
>> > say that a predispostion is exaclty that, not a hard solid rule and
>> > learnt
>> > behavour can of course be unlearnt.
>> >
>> > When a man goes to a mind doctor for reasons of what ever meantl health
>> > problems plauge him, he may be offerd CBT as an aid to getting his head
>> > back
>> > in order. How is it that these technichs work if we are really all
>> > fully
>> > bound and fetterd by our genes and our enviroment?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, 13 August 2012 11:54:12 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What I would do is limited to my nature and as Lee and I are made up
>> >> differently his choice would be different , but that would be in line
>> >> with the choice towards which he is genetically predisposed or
>> >> environmentally learned. What I mean is that will is a consequence of
>> >> thought processes which end up in making a choice.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, AmandaRheen <Machiav...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > What I understand you to be saying is merely that free will is
>> >> > limited
>> >> > to
>> >> > the number of possible choices that are available to the organism
>> >> > within
>> >> > the
>> >> > total capacities of the material matter of the organism. The part
>> >> > where
>> >> > you
>> >> > stop making sense to me is
>> >> >
>> >> > " If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
>> >> > master of yourself. " in context of the example you used with Lee.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is "where I would have
>> >> >
>> >> > beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are not
>> >> > free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but of
>> >> > course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
>> >> > would not."
>> >> >
>> >> > What does 'if you think that is freedom, the you are really the
>> >> > master
>> >> > of
>> >> > yourself' mean?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:53:49 PM UTC+10, RP Singh wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The will to change yourself comes from within you , but those who
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> ignorant of the intricacies of nature think that they have brought
>> >> >> about this change. When you breathe you think that you are freely
>> >> >> doing so but the fact is that it is your body which is demanding it.
>> >> >> Whether you are controlling your anger or not is in your hands but
>> >> >> your decisions arise from the working of your brain which is matter
>> >> >> and as such governed by neurological or biological principles. If
>> >> >> freedom was real the whole machinery of the universe would have
>> >> >> collapsed and there would have been mayhem everywhere , but that is
>> >> >> not the case and wherever you look you find harmony within. Whatever
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> man does it is his nature expressing itself , where I would have
>> >> >> beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
>> >> >> would not. If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
>> >> >> master of yourself.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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