Thank you
I will try my best to do it all
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:59 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry for the delay, gabby. Yes- new ideas and also skills plus
unlearning errors of both. I would also add that appetites are
promoted for various reasons- some are healthy and normal but others
are really the vulnerabilities of power quests and commerce used by
manipulators of human behaviors and responses. Intuition is often
given a bad rap- like some old wive's tale or superstition but I can
recall times when I felt it- mostly the times when I suppressed its
warning and rued the day later on.
On Aug 17, 9:13 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Lee. Yes, I guess Rigs meant something like that.
>
> And thanks Andrew, intuition is a word I can live much better with in
> this our context.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Gabs.
>
> > I think that when you are presented with, or stumble across an idea that you
> > have not considered before, can it not be said that you have learned of a
> > new idea?
>
> > On Friday, 17 August 2012 10:37:38 UTC+1, gabbydott wrote:
>
> >> Maybe I misunderstood, but how can you learn new ideas? You can be
> >> taught to follow new ideologies, you can come up with new ideas, you
> >> can appreciate someone's new idea and further develop it, but how do
> >> you learn new ideas? And what is an instinct if it can be overridden
> >> by intellect? Do we not learn to control our impulses? Please, help
> >> me.
>
> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:48 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > That's risk and growth, isn't it? But why would you open your heart to
> >> > someone you didn't like? New ideas sometimes have to be learned. Not
> >> > sure about the last one because there could be a very good reason your
> >> > intellect cautions your instincts.
>
> >> > On Aug 16, 2:41 pm, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> That might be right for opening your hand. What about opening up your
> >> >> heart
> >> >> to someone you don`t particularly like, or opening your head to some
> >> >> thought you don`t like or to new ideas that are strange to you you
> >> >> don`t ?
> >> >> Or listening to your instincts and acting on them despite your
> >> >> intellect
> >> >> telling you not to.
>
> >> >> On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:33:37 PM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > All conscious thought processes and deliberations are the
> >> >> > manifestation of chemical activity in the physical brain , it is the
> >> >> > neural activity in the brain which appear as the will with its
> >> >> > consequent deliberations. I deliberate whether to open my hand or not
> >> >> > and ultimately choose the one , but all this process is preceded by
> >> >> > neural activity and the conscious deliberations and act are just the
> >> >> > manifestation of this. So ultimately I am bound by myself according
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > my nature.
>
> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:07 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> >> >> > <javascript:>>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > > I am feeling thirsty and I can choose to quench my thirst or delay
> >> >> > > it
> >> >> > > for some time , but why do I choose one and not the other
> >> >> > > ---simple, I
> >> >> > > have to follow God's will as if it was my choice i.e. free choice.
>
> >> >> > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Lee Douglas
> >> >> > > <leerev...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >> Indeed! Or I am thirsty and choose to get a drink later, or it is
> >> >> > >> time
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > >> lunch but I choose to finish composing this one email before I
> >> >> > >> choose
> >> >> > to go
> >> >> > >> eat.
>
> >> >> > >> On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:48:05 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > >>> I feel thirsty and go and take a glass of water , it is time for
> >> >> > >>> lunch
> >> >> > >>> and I go and have it --- this is freedom of choice ,consciously
> >> >> > >>> knowing and acting out the act.
>
> >> >> > >>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Lee Douglas
> >> >> > >>> <leerev...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>> > You speak as if we had no choice, and that we simply obey the
> >> >> > programing
> >> >> > >>> > of
> >> >> > >>> > our bodies.
>
> >> >> > >>> > I do get what you mean, I disagree, I think you wrong.
>
> >> >> > >>> > We are again just going around in circles you and I RP, we must
> >> >> > endevour
> >> >> > >>> > to
> >> >> > >>> > brake it.
>
> >> >> > >>> > So in an attempt at just that let me try it this way.
>
> >> >> > >>> > Let us stick to the machine analogy.
>
> >> >> > >>> > If we humans are simply biological machines, what machine are
> >> >> > >>> > we
> >> >> > akin
> >> >> > >>> > to?
>
> >> >> > >>> > Clockwork?
>
> >> >> > >>> > With a clock work device you have not many veriables, and
> >> >> > >>> > things
> >> >> > must be
> >> >> > >>> > wound up in order for the machin to work, a period of winding,
> >> >> > working
> >> >> > >>> > and
> >> >> > >>> > winding again must occour for the mahcine to work.
> >> >> > >>> > So unlike a clockwork machine then.
>
> >> >> > >>> > Electirical.
> >> >> > >>> > In an electrical machine you need power source, and input
> >> >> > >>> > settings
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > >>> > an
> >> >> > >>> > external force to imput commands, or changes.
> >> >> > >>> > So not unlike but not too similar to electric machines then.
>
> >> >> > >>> > Compturised machines.
> >> >> > >>> > The heart and soul of the computerised machine is the cpu, the
> >> >> > memory
> >> >> > >>> > and
> >> >> > >>> > the programing.
> >> >> > >>> > So maybe we are more akin to the computerised machine that the
> >> >> > >>> > other
> >> >> > >>> > two?
>
> >> >> > >>> > Or may be a little of each?
>
> >> >> > >>> > We can say that the human machine is a self diagnosing, self
> >> >> > reparing
> >> >> > >>> > machine. But all of this is down to the programing. We have
> >> >> > >>> > some
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > >>> > birth,
> >> >> > >>> > let us call this predisposition, but the majority of it is
> >> >> > >>> > picked up
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > >>> > we
> >> >> > >>> > grow in a particular enviroment, but the more complex the
> >> >> > >>> > machine
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>> > more
> >> >> > >>> > complex the programing needs to be. As we are constantly
> >> >> > >>> > adding to
> >> >> > our
> >> >> > >>> > programing via external enviromental influences, there needs be
> >> >> > >>> > a
> >> >> > way to
> >> >> > >>> > sort the dross from the gold. Indeed there is, our programing
> >> >> > >>> > over
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>> > eons
> >> >> > >>> > has developed a 'conciousness'. This conciousness is what we
> >> >> > >>> > use to
> >> >> > >>> > sotrt
> >> >> > >>> > and refine our programing, and conciouness being what it is, is
> >> >> > capable
> >> >> > >>> > deciding from distinct and differant possibilites, this ability
> >> >> > >>> > then
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > >>> > freedom of choice. Our conciouness uses many tools in which to
> >> >> > >>> > do
> >> >> > this,
> >> >> > >>> > morality and will amongst them, and of course it also takes
> >> >> > >>> > note of
> >> >> > any
> >> >> > >>> > predispositions.
>
> >> >> > >>> > We may be machines but we are conciouse, and it is this in
> >> >> > >>> > which we
> >> >> > find
> >> >> > >>> > our
> >> >> > >>> > Self's burried.
>
> >> >> > >>> > On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:46:19 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > >>> >> What you think and do is you as a organism that is responsible
> >> >> > >>> >> ,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > >>> >> you the organism are made of matter and it is from matter that
> >> >> > >>> >> all
> >> >> > >>> >> enterprise arise , as such all your actions arise from the
> >> >> > >>> >> working
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > >>> >> your body and brain which also reacts to the outside
> >> >> > >>> >> environment.
> >> >> > >>> >> Through CBT it is the organism which is repairing itself and
> >> >> > >>> >> you
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > >>> >> the puppet in the hands of this material body. You are the
> >> >> > >>> >> Front
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > >>> >> are made to feel that you are all in all.
> >> >> > >>> >> Thoughts and actions arise from bio-chemical activity and the
> >> >> > >>> >> self
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > >>> >> under the impression that he is free.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Lee Douglas
> >> >> > >>> >> <leerev...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>> >> > Okay there are two points on this.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> > Yes of course genetic predisposition exists, but you make a
> >> >> > mistake
> >> >> > >>> >> > when
> >> >> > >>> >> > you
> >> >> > >>> >> > claim the strengh of it. It could be that a man is
> >> >> > >>> >> > predisposed
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > >>> >> > cancer.
> >> >> > >>> >> > What this means is it is more likely that as he gets older
> >> >> > >>> >> > his
> >> >> > chance
> >> >> > >>> >> > of
> >> >> > >>> >> > some cells becomeing cancerous is higher then the man who
> >> >> > >>> >> > has no
> >> >> > >>> >> > genetic
> >> >> > >>> >> > predisposition towards cancer; what it is not, is a 100%
> >> >> > garentee.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> > In a similar vein it may be that I am predisposed towards my
> >> >> > choice
> >> >> > >>> >> > in
> >> >> > >>> >> > child
> >> >> > >>> >> > rearing, but this is not a garentee that I will never smack
> >> >> > >>> >> > my
> >> >> > child.
> >> >> > >>> >> > Genetic predisposition, not genetic garentee.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> > Secondly.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> > Yes all thought arises as a concequences of the mechanics of
> >> >> > >>> >> > the
> >> >> > >>> >> > brain,
> >> >> > >>> >> > how
> >> >> > >>> >> > can it be otherwise. Yet what CBT does and meditaion and a
> >> >> > >>> >> > hell
> >> >> > of a
> >> >> > >>> >> > lot of
> >> >> > >>> >> > mind exsercises is to elicit a physical change within the
> >> >> > >>> >> > brain
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > >>> >> > complete
> >> >> > >>> >> > a physcolgical change. You have a circular effect happing.
> >> >> > Thought
> >> >> > >>> >> > is
> >> >> > >>> >> > made
> >> >> > >>> >> > by the mechanics of the brain, we know that damage to the
> >> >> > >>> >> > brain
> >> >> > >>> >> > causes
> >> >> > >>> >> > changes to the pyscology of the human. Yet the tought 'I
> >> >> > >>> >> > wish to
> >> >> > >>> >> > change'
> >> >> > >>> >> > can make a physical change to the brain. Change to will in
> >> >> > >>> >> > accordance
> >> >> > >>> >> > with
> >> >> > >>> >> > will.
>
> >> >> > >>> >> > On Monday, 13 August 2012 17:12:33 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>
> >> >> > >>> >> >> Whatever we think and whatever we do
>
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